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FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by seniorThrowaway »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #39

If there was some kind of fixed minimum compensation - even a single dollar per affected person - and strict liability (doesn't matter how you allegedly did everything to protect the data, if it leaked it's on you), companies would suddenly be very motivated to a) secure b) minimize the data they hold. Without penalties, e.g. Hertz has little reason not to keep 10+ years of drivers licenses just in case they come in…

Criminal liability for the corporate officers is the correct approach. Can't pass jailtime on to the consumers.

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Post by jeffbee »

Jcowell wrote: post #193
k33n wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can request their birth certificate in the jurisdiction of recording. There is absolutely no mechanism by which a request for that documentation could be refused because of someone’s race or a grudge.

What do you mean no mechanism? People can just say no? What I think you mean is that they’re are mechanisms today to combat folks saying no, but nothing stops (only punushes) people from saying no. It’s a lot harder these days given the 60 years of progress

10 years ago we had 50 years of progress but in 2026 we're back down to zero progress.

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Post by ericmay »

jeffbee wrote: post #220
ericmay wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't live in the Jim Crow South anymore - you're making an extreme stretch here to try and paint a picture that isn't accurate. My point stands.

Your point is laying in a ditch bleeding to death. There are loads of people alive today who personally suffered from Jim Crow. These practices continued right through 1968, and were revived in Texas between 2013 and 2016.

No it's not. It's alive and well and just bought a new house.

Stop fear-mongering. One person doing something wrong one time does not constitute any sort of noticeable or wide-scale practice and the fact that if such an event occurs it makes national news and is fixed goes to show that the public is opposed to these practices, they are exceptionally rare.

Or perhaps there are "some cases" of voter fraud too ;)

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Post by [deleted] »

ericmay wrote: post #219
k33n wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fine debate tactic — dumping a load of text without the proper context. But I’m not debating here. I’m plainly stating the fact that US states are not sovereign entities. In practical terms, there is no such thing as a semi-sovereign entity.

Folks have provided great information. It's up to you to decide to accept the facts or continue to double down on your private worldview, but it won't serve you well to be ignorant of the facts here.

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Re: FBI Probes Service Selling 153M+ Drivers Licenses

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Post by jeffbee »

ericmay wrote: post #223
jeffbee wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your point is laying in a ditch bleeding to death. There are loads of people alive today who personally suffered from Jim Crow. These practices continued right through 1968, and were revived in Texas between 2013 and 2016.

No it's not. It's alive and well and just bought a new house. Stop fear-mongering. One person doing something wrong one time does not constitute any sort of noticeable or wide-scale practice and the fact that if such an event occurs it makes national news and is fixed goes to show that the public is opposed to these practices, they are exceptionally rare. Or perhaps there are "some cases" of voter fraud too ;)

There are about 600,000 American citizens alive today who lack traceable documentation of their birth due to Jim Crow policies.

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Post by mindslight »

ethagnawl wrote: post #123

I know some modern, normal countries have done variations of this but the US missed a golden opportunity to give everyone an RSA keypair when they were coerced into signing up for an Enhanced/REAL ID. Instead of scanning, taking photos of or holding licences up to webcams (I was asked to do this recently) you provide your public key or, better, a signed message containing the name, website or other identifier which g…

The big problem is that there has been, and is still, basically no political will in the US for GDPR-style privacy rights [0]. The current ID systems (DL# and SSN#) are already being flagrantly abused by an unaccountable surveillance industry, which backhauls every bit of data it can get away with, maintaining comprehensive dossiers on each of us. So until this is actually reigned in, then every bit of friction here actually helps as it prevents even more businesses from routinely demanding ID.

[0] due to constant undermining by said surveillance industry, which has now basically become "too big to fail"

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Post by gnuplustoejam »

jeffbee wrote: post #220
ericmay wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't live in the Jim Crow South anymore - you're making an extreme stretch here to try and paint a picture that isn't accurate. My point stands.

Your point is laying in a ditch bleeding to death. There are loads of people alive today who personally suffered from Jim Crow. These practices continued right through 1968, and were revived in Texas between 2013 and 2016.

This exaggeration is why we can't have universal digital ID or resilient voter fraud protections — which is what the original question was by the way. Do you also believe voter fraud is unheard of and never happens?

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Post by gnuplustoejam »

jeffbee wrote: post #225
ericmay wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not. It's alive and well and just bought a new house. Stop fear-mongering. One person doing something wrong one time does not constitute any sort of noticeable or wide-scale practice and the fact that if such an event occurs it makes national news and is fixed goes to show that the public is opposed to these practices, they are exceptionally rare. Or perhaps there are "some cases" of voter fraud too ;)

There are about 600,000 American citizens alive today who lack traceable documentation of their birth due to Jim Crow policies.

We have plenty of naturalized immigrants with no traceable documentation of their birth because they grew up in the middle of nowhere.

Somehow this wasn't a problem for them, while whites-only water fountains still live rent-free in your mind.

Following your logic, no problem is solvable until you have eliminated all potential issues and outliers. No startups would ever get off the ground with that attitude.

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #184
swingboy wrote: post #166

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This would probably be considered “disenfranchising” because people would have a hard time keeping track of their public key and the process to recover it would involve having to take off work, transportation, etc.

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Conservatives seemingly went from the libertarian extreme where everything under the sun is a "threat to liberty" straight to cheer-leading global authoritarianism, skipping the middle altogether.

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Post by Dejhavi »

embedding-shape wrote: post #152
ericmay wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which “normal, modern countries” have done variations of this?

Not sure I'd call it "normal", we're exceptional! :) But Spain does have this, I have a literal digital certificate linked to my name, sitting in my browser, that I use for logging in to various government services and also use to sign+submit my taxes. Apparently there even is a page in English explaining how it works, in case others are interested: https://www.fnmt.es/en/ceres > The CERES project (Spanish Certificat…

Don't forget the DNIe...you can authenticate using a QR code via the app (like the DGT app)

- MiDNI > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=es.gob.interio... - Mi DGT > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dgt.midgt

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