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Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Back in the day... 2004-2005 facebook was amazing. Spread like wildfire, and lots of fun to use. Just you and your college friends, and their friends.

It was US only as you had to have a .edu email address to join, which most universities around the world did not get as it was mostly a US thing. It took forever for them to open up to non-US universities.

It would of been nice keep it that way. MySpace was just fine.

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Just see how the open source initiative runs their "elections"… https://lwn.net/Articles/1014603/

And the kind of founding leaders they elect. Russ Nelson: "Blacks are Lazy" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russ_Nelson#Blacks_are_la... Eric S. Raymond: "The people who knew Russ as a Quaker, a pacifist and a gentleman, and no racist, but nevertheless pressured OSI to do the responsible thing and fire him in order to avoid political damage should be equally ashamed. Abetting somebody elses witch hunt is no less d…

You find protestant ideology in the weirdest places…

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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That’s not what this was about. It was in response to a dramatic hysterical exhortation that we shouldn’t “normalize...surveillance” as though it’s not already normal and well tolerated in our society, particularly in the context of employment.

It’s not, though. Arguing that it is completely normal because a few kinds of jobs may have it is pretty disingenuous. And a lot of jobs on your list don’t actually have the kinds of controls on offer here, so you’re kind of making stuff up here.

What kinds of controls are you referring to?

None of the examples I provided was made up.

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Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

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Indeed → https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries • Engineer (E3, entry level) $248.2K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E5, senior level) $629.8K avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E7, principal) $1.69M avg ∴ https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... • Engineer (E9, distinguished) $6.09M avg…

Note that those are total comp numbers. Something like 60% of that is dependent on performance review, which is fed in large part by automatically collected metrics like number of commits, number of code reviews ticked off, the LLM token usage leaderboards etc; creating all the perverse incentives you'd expect. So you can rely on income to precisely the extent you are willing to destroy your soul.

No not really your perf will only realistically influence 10 maybe 15 percent of your comp for your first 4 years. Vast majority is fixed at signing time. Numbers there are truly what you can expect to get.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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And the kind of founding leaders they elect. Russ Nelson: "Blacks are Lazy" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russ_Nelson#Blacks_are_la... Eric S. Raymond: "The people who knew Russ as a Quaker, a pacifist and a gentleman, and no racist, but nevertheless pressured OSI to do the responsible thing and fire him in order to avoid political damage should be equally ashamed. Abetting somebody elses witch hunt is no less d…

You find protestant ideology in the weirdest places…

Actually, Russ is a Quaker (or rather used to be until he renounced it for being too "socialist"). He created the first Quaker website in the world, quaker.org, in early 1995.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Nelson#Personal

But his actual lifelong ideological religious cult is Libertarianism, obviously. And they epitomize what's wrong with the open source movement, ESR having based his career on tearing down and shitting all over everything RMS has done with Free Software.

ESR and Russ and their ilk just love playing a tired little game I call "Libertarian Chicken":

https://github.com/SimHacker/moollm/blob/main/skills/no-ai-g...

For many more examples, just look at the decades long consistent pattern of ESR's obnoxious inflamatory posts to the linux mailing lists, before he got kicked off for playing said games.

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They author thousands of open-source. Nobody would consider those 'products' (though feel free to play pedantic). And many would argue React did far more harm than good.

Without React we might not have had the JavaScript framework explosion, we'd all be programming in Angular JS. Maybe I'm exaggerating slightly, but I think we should judge frameworks compared to what other things existed at the time. It's, by the way, another example of how the only good thing Facebook did was deny Google complete dominance.

Without React, we might've just used Svelte.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Meta continuing to be the most shameless (and shameful to work for) company around. I can't think of a single product of theirs that hasn't made the world a markedly worse place. Even their recent hardware foray is managing to find a way to ruin trust in everyday interactions (guys filming drunk girls with Ray Bans, surveillance, etc.). Have several friends at the more 'thoughtful' frontier labs that bin meta applica…

What are these "thoughtful" frontier labs you speak of? I see Meta folks going to the big ones all the time. Ton of former PyTorch/Inductor folks now are at Ant/TM etc. Everyone I know in the GPU compiler/GPGPU space seems to be either going to meta or leaving meta for NV or some AI lab. My anecdotal observations don't align with "bin meta applicants straight to the trash."

Yea I was going to ask the same question about "thoughtful frontier labs". Not sure that's really a thing unless we're talking about being thoughtful of accumulating wealth and power for a small handful of people.

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Even the original idea (if The Social Network is a trustworthy source) was copied -- Zuckerberg just has a complete lack of vision, but is clearly an intelligent operator with good business sense. Jagged intelligence, like an LLM.

Or he’s backed by the CIA?

Possible. Probably.

https://whyy.org/segments/facebook-a-computing-pioneer-a-sec...

Re: Meta Pauses Employee-Tracking Program Following Internal Data Leak

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Garbage company going into a death spiral.

Unfortunately the amount of cash they have saved up plus the golden goose of FB means they'll be around for a while yet.

My understanding is that WhatsApp is also very heavily used in many countries.
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