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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by iwontberude »

truncate wrote: post #149
simonw wrote: post #56

> Pupils from first through seventh grade, aged 6 to 13, should as a general rule not be using AI, while those in lower secondary school, aged 14 to 16, can cautiously adopt tools under teachers' supervision, the government said. Sounds right to me. Kids under 13 need to learn to read, write and comprehend text. Generative AI is not going to help them with those skills. They can play with AI at home, and after 13 the…

Totally agree! For anyone who still thinks kids should use AI, another argument to make is we are still figuring out AI (hence the constant debate on it, hype, uncertainty, boundaries of its capabilities etc etc). I don't think anyone with right mind can disagree with that. Keeping that mind, wouldn't it make sense to at-the-very-least tread with caution when it comes to kids.

Whether they should or not is a moot point. They are using it and we need to figure out how to organise society to deal with it.

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Post by raincole »

ori_b wrote: post #166
nunez wrote: post #155

Spend a few minutes on the teacher subreddits: /r/teachers and /r/professors, specifically. AI has been a disaster for student outcomes and educator performance, more or less across the board. It should be banned in education, but there's no way to enforce that without increasing educator workload substantially (eliminating homework and re-working lesson plans around that; moving tests and projects back into the clas…

Banning it in classrooms isn't going to fix things, not when adults are broadcasting to students that (in the actual words of Sam Altman) "intelligence will be too cheap to meter", that (in the words of Darius Amodei) half of white collar jobs will be gone by the time these students graduate school, and so on. If intelligence is too cheap to meter, mental labor is a losing proposition. We've also spent decades emphas…

> If intelligence is too cheap to meter, selling your mental labor is a losing proposition. In a world like that, why would anyone value an education?

The ban is for elementary school. I don't know about you, but when I was 11, what motivated me to go to school definitely wasn't the idea that I could monetize my intelligence later on.

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Post by gpt5 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #78
tadfisher wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US legislators have almost no say in how schools are run. The DoE is a husk, and states call the shots. In my state of Oregon, you will have wildly different curricula and standards depending on your district, because there's almost no state oversight either.

They made a choice - US legislators effectively gave up their control of how schools are run when the conservative coalition allowed the trump administration to dismantle the DoE without congressional approval. Congress itself could legally retain control of education, but if congress refuses to assert that power then it is meaningless. The end goal is to dismantle public education and route public money to religious…

No - US always delegated education policy decision locally. Not just the state level, but the local district has the most amount of control. Nothing material here has changed in the last few years.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by solid_fuel »

gpt5 wrote: post #216
solid_fuel wrote: post #87

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> To be fair, norwegian kids would probably fail because they don't have a clue how much 50 feet are. I... are you an LLM? The distance doesn't matter - you probably don't want to walk to the car wash .

I was going to comment that you missed the joke. However, it was still curious to me that you took it so seriously, so I looked at your comment history. It is almost all political (and outraged) commentary, and you tend to dominate posts like this with many comments, without adding nuance, substance, or listening to the other side. It reinforces a pet theory I have, that if I'll build a dynamic filter to HN to filter…

> It is almost all political (and outraged) commentary, and you tend to dominate posts like this with many comments, without adding nuance, substance, or listening to the other side.

Facts don't care about your feelings, bud. And neither do I.

> It reinforces a pet theory I have, that if I'll build a dynamic filter to HN to filter out political/ideological commentors, the quality of discussion I'll see will rise up again.

Yes I'm certain you will be happier if you ignore everything that challenges you.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by simonw »

raincole wrote: post #215
ddp26 wrote: post #136

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You mean chatgpt style AI won't help them with those skills? If a human parent or teacher can help with skills like reading, an AI system can too, once it's trained and designed to do so. (How good are humans at teaching reading anyway?)

Yeah, it baffles me that the sentiment here is that AI can only hurt kids' reading ability, when AI (in the form of a chatbot) is practically a tool that forces its users to read a lot. I still support for some sort of AI restriction for kids, though, since school is a place for kids to socializing. It's a more aspect important than reading and writing.

Not if they turn on voice mode, which is pretty excellent these days (at least in ChatGPT and Gemini.)

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Post by gpt5 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16
bpodgursky wrote: post #11

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AI makes me worse at programming but helps me learn things much more quickly than reading textbooks. Both can be true.

> but helps me learn things much more quickly than reading textbooks Have you tested this against an external metric of competence? The research seems to show that AI is great at making you feel you know something. But I think the studies looking at language learning found those using AI extensively tested below peers using traditional methods.

You don't always need the same level of deep knowledge on everything you do. A lot of things in software development requires some basic level understanding of some obscure API you would never use again. LLM definitely speed up that part.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by solid_fuel »

gpt5 wrote: post #223
solid_fuel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They made a choice - US legislators effectively gave up their control of how schools are run when the conservative coalition allowed the trump administration to dismantle the DoE without congressional approval. Congress itself could legally retain control of education, but if congress refuses to assert that power then it is meaningless. The end goal is to dismantle public education and route public money to religious…

No - US always delegated education policy decision locally. Not just the state level, but the local district has the most amount of control. Nothing material here has changed in the last few years.

> Nothing material here has changed in the last few years.

Bald faced lies from you, nothing surprising here. I could take the time in explaining how state and federal responsibilities are divided, I could go through the history of the Department of Education and how funding for schools works in the US. I could point to dozens of examples of you being wrong from any decade in the last century, from de-segregation to "no child left behind".

But there's no point, since you're just a troll and not here for a real discussion. No one interested in a sincere exchange of ideas would start from such a stupid premise. So you can go ahead and look through my comment history all you want, and respond all you want, but it'll just make you mad and get you flagged.

You would be better served by finding a large rock to kick.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by raincole »

simonw wrote: post #226
raincole wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it baffles me that the sentiment here is that AI can only hurt kids' reading ability, when AI (in the form of a chatbot) is practically a tool that forces its users to read a lot. I still support for some sort of AI restriction for kids, though, since school is a place for kids to socializing. It's a more aspect important than reading and writing.

Not if they turn on voice mode, which is pretty excellent these days (at least in ChatGPT and Gemini.)

I do 100% support banning voice mode for school. (Again mostly for the socializing... or anti-socializing aspect.)
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