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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by bpodgursky »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7
FloorEgg wrote: post #6

Wouldn't it matter a lot how AI is being used? I would assume if children are allowed to use AI without rails as a shortcut it will undermine their learning, and it's used for feedback and as a patient tutor it would accelerate their learning? It seems like the problem is that they don't have the science and tooling to use it constructively at scale, so the desperate solution is to ban it outright until a scalable co…

> it's used for feedback and as a patient tutor it would accelerate their learning? We have mounting evidence AI hurts learning and cognition in many circumstances. I have not yet seen similar-quality evidence for it helping. Given that balance, restricting AI in education in the general population (while studying how to best deploy it) seems prudent. Especially given the Norwegian approach, which gradually introduce…

AI makes me worse at programming but helps me learn things much more quickly than reading textbooks. Both can be true.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

morkalork wrote: post #8

Social media execs are already known for keeping their children off their platforms* and even phones so my question is: Do the leading ML/AI people let their children interact with LLMs yes or no? [*] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/13/youtubes-ceo-is-latest-tech-...

Broadly speaking, the wealthier the parents the more restrictive device is in general in the household.

This used to be a tech/non-tech line. It shifted to class sometime over the last ten years. The iPad kids are probably getting served slop. The AI-employed parents don’t have to directly police AI exposure because their kids’ device use is already controlled; at school, at extra-curriculars and at home.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by bko »

Im confused, are there tasks given to 6 to 13 year old to use AI?

In the classroom, are they just throwing gpt in front of them? Is that the modern equivalent of watching a vhs?

Or do they have homework to vibe code something or given some prompts to ask at home and save somewhere?

Serious question, what does this mean?

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Post by newfriend »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7
FloorEgg wrote: post #6

Wouldn't it matter a lot how AI is being used? I would assume if children are allowed to use AI without rails as a shortcut it will undermine their learning, and it's used for feedback and as a patient tutor it would accelerate their learning? It seems like the problem is that they don't have the science and tooling to use it constructively at scale, so the desperate solution is to ban it outright until a scalable co…

> it's used for feedback and as a patient tutor it would accelerate their learning? We have mounting evidence AI hurts learning and cognition in many circumstances. I have not yet seen similar-quality evidence for it helping. Given that balance, restricting AI in education in the general population (while studying how to best deploy it) seems prudent. Especially given the Norwegian approach, which gradually introduce…

Do you delegate all opinions to only those which have studies?

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bpodgursky wrote: post #11
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's used for feedback and as a patient tutor it would accelerate their learning? We have mounting evidence AI hurts learning and cognition in many circumstances. I have not yet seen similar-quality evidence for it helping. Given that balance, restricting AI in education in the general population (while studying how to best deploy it) seems prudent. Especially given the Norwegian approach, which gradually introduce…

AI makes me worse at programming but helps me learn things much more quickly than reading textbooks. Both can be true.

> but helps me learn things much more quickly than reading textbooks

Have you tested this against an external metric of competence? The research seems to show that AI is great at making you feel you know something. But I think the studies looking at language learning found those using AI extensively tested below peers using traditional methods.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

baq wrote: post #14

AI used to write homework should be banned. AI in 1:1 tutor mode with proper hardware (live scanning pen and paper), harness and guardrails should be wildly successful (in terms of education outcomes) especially in elementary school.

> AI in 1:1 tutor mode with proper hardware, harness and guardrails should be wildly successful

I’m open to the idea! Show me the evidence. Then we can roll it out to our kids.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by jackdoe »

morkalork wrote: post #8

Social media execs are already known for keeping their children off their platforms* and even phones so my question is: Do the leading ML/AI people let their children interact with LLMs yes or no? [*] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/13/youtubes-ceo-is-latest-tech-...

there is a difference in a kid asking a LLM to explain 0! or 0^0 and to ask it to be its friend.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by Retric »

petcat wrote: post #4

I wonder if at some point we will look back on stuff like this as back in the 1990s schools banning internet research and search engines. Obviously that seems ridiculous now, but the internet was big and scary back then too.

Few schools allow unrestricted internet access these days.

The general question here is risks vs rewards and with any new technology both are unknown making caution perfectly reasonable be that internet searches or anything else.

So sure in 30 years the policy will look different, but that doesn’t mean they are making the wrong decision.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by MrDresden »

bpodgursky wrote: post #11
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's used for feedback and as a patient tutor it would accelerate their learning? We have mounting evidence AI hurts learning and cognition in many circumstances. I have not yet seen similar-quality evidence for it helping. Given that balance, restricting AI in education in the general population (while studying how to best deploy it) seems prudent. Especially given the Norwegian approach, which gradually introduce…

AI makes me worse at programming but helps me learn things much more quickly than reading textbooks. Both can be true.

Yes, but (I assume) that you are old enough to have already gone through elementary school and perhaps further and learned and internalized a model for learning and retaining information.

I think that is what is at risk.

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