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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by yoyohello13 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #59

Calculator taking measurable seconds to load was the last straw for me for Windows 10. Exclusively Linux at home for a couple of years now, and there's a relatively steady stream of headlines to remind me of how good a decision it was to switch away.

Yeah, I've been exclusively on Linux at home since 2019. I have to do work on Windows though and it's a daily reminder that Windows is a piece of shit and gets worse with every update. WSL is the only thing that makes it bearable. It's like releasing a long relaxing breath when I can finally get on my home computer.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by SoftTalker »

hylaride wrote: post #201
SoftTalker wrote: post #155

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SQL Server is a fork of Sybase. Not a MS invention. Active Directory is probably based on someone's LDAP server, though I don't know for sure. .NET is a copy of Java NT kernel is good, thank Digital/Dave Cutler for that.

> SQL Server is a fork of Sybase. Not a MS invention. It's long-since been rewritten. Pre-SQL Server 2000 it was garbage, but it's been improved significantly since then. I'd still use alternatives given the choice, but it's a solid DB. >Active Directory is probably based on someone's LDAP server, though I don't know for sure. So you don't know. It was written in house, using a bunch of standardized protocols (LDAP,…

I will say that in the era when they came out with AD they really took "enterprise configuration management" seriously and made Windows by far the best mainstream ecosystem to manage hundreds or thousands of corporate desktops.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

chris_wot wrote: post #87
lelandfe wrote: post #72

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The amount of applications on the average consumer's laptop is such a tiny space to search over that there really is no excuse for this being anything other than instant. iOS and macOS suffer this too, it's like I open search and the operating system awakes from a hangover and makes sure it's wearing pants first

iOS and macOS aren't even close to the awfulness of search on Windows.

Although they have just rewritten it so there must have been some problems with it.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by sgt »

cogman10 wrote: post #172
sgt wrote: post #82

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Generally though, web developers are of lower quality than native app devs. Often little or no consideration to the layers below, and their focus is more on security rather than speed.

Funnily, I'd say the reason web apps tend to be worse than native apps is because the web is so much more powerful and flexible. For a native app, I'm often limited to just a small set of components and maybe images I can put on those components. Animations are out of the picture. Configuring colors is sometimes not available but always painful (every component needs it tweaked, there's no universal way to change it)…

Although technically speaking, native is much more flexible as you can literally do anything. But yes, most devs will just use standard UI components and that's it. So your point holds.

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Post by jonpurdy »

nicoburns wrote: post #210
olex wrote: post #10

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The Fastmail client is good when it's up and running, but not as good as well-implemented native apps. The initial startup is much slower, and the iOS / iPadOS app (which is the same webapp iirc) is pretty bug-ridden, with the webview freezing or app not progressing past the loading animation without a close swipe / reopen.

My main gripe with the Fastmail client is that it doesn't work offline. This is of course absolutely possible to do with a webapp, and IMO ought to be a priority for an email client.

I literally switched on "Enable offline support", caching "All mail" offline on my iPhone a few months ago. Tons of free space, only using 4GB for offline.

But when my phone is actually offline (on a plane or elevator) it beachballs when trying to find something.

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Post by impendia »

thewebguyd wrote: post #202
vladvasiliu wrote: post #63

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IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me. I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job w…

> I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one There are some people that use Outlook for...well I'm not sure what but things that go way beyond email and calendar. I've been using the web app for several years now, it's fine. When I was new in IT, I always struggled to see what the big deal was with Outlook desktop. The web mail has folders, rules, shared mailbox support, integrated calendar,…

> People treat email has a permanent data store.

Is this strange?

I'll be trying to solve some problem, half-remember an email conversation from several years ago on something relevant, and want to look it up.

This feels like the most natural thing in the world to me, and it's not like the ability to save emails is new. Why, exactly, would a forced change of habits be for my own good?

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Post by reactordev »

patates wrote: post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

Not to mention they puts ads in your email client regardless of whether you use office or not

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by layer8 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #59

Calculator taking measurable seconds to load was the last straw for me for Windows 10. Exclusively Linux at home for a couple of years now, and there's a relatively steady stream of headlines to remind me of how good a decision it was to switch away.

Luckily, one can still revert to the classic calculator: https://win7games.com/#calc

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Post by pjc50 »

ryandvm wrote: post #144
reaperducer wrote: post #69

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It's not just Windows. It's everything Microsoft. What steams my clams is that I can press Reply in Outlook and be halfway through the first sentence of my message before the reply window even opens. (M4 Pro) Almost every time I use Outlook, I have to rewrite my first sentence because half of it was typed before Outlook was finished doing whatever it does in the background. This doesn't happen with other mail clients…

You're right, but it's not just Microsoft. I've been doing software engineering for 20+ years. I've been at a lot of different companies and at almost every single one I'm always kind of flabbergasted at how shabby the engineering is. I think maybe ONCE in my career did I work somewhere that I was proud of the engineering we were doing and it was a 18 month consulting gig at a startup with 3 engineers. This isn't hub…

The solution is competition in software. But it's a really, really dysfunctional market. Outlook persists because it can speak to Exchange. Too many bad software products persist because they're part of a lock-in with something that's difficult or expensive to swap out. Ultimately, Windows itself.
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