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US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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For the same reason all land ownership across the world and across the ages and across all animal species has been determined.

So you believe might makes right? I don’t.

The reality that a contested position is determined by whoever can assert the claim, isn't a moral choice, it's simply an observable political fact.

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So you believe might makes right? I don’t.

The reality that a contested position is determined by whoever can assert the claim, isn't a moral choice, it's simply an observable political fact.

No it isn’t.

There are many plots of land belonging to people with limited military power.

Iceland is a pretty good example.

Palestine was stolen by Europeans with powerful backers, a statement you then agree with?

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The conclusion has long been embarassing unless we live under a rock. The US president has been played like a fool by the Israelis and Iran has inflicted a humiliating defeat to the US and its allies by leveraging cheap asymmetric warfare.

> the US and its allies Which allies?

Those in the middle east.

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Are the terms of the deal public yet? If they're essentially a return to the status quo ante bellum, that would be a pretty embarrassing conclusion for the US (and would presumably further harden any belief within Iran that the only permanent regime-preserving solution involves accelerating the process of obtaining nuclear weapons).

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Much the contrary, it showed them that without a nuclear weapon they can be attacked willy-nilly by the USA/Israel, without a nuke it doesn't matter what kind of agreement or deal they reach it can always be reneged.

Iran looks at North Korea and want that kind of regime stability, at least from outside threats.

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Also, the u.s. makes Israel stop destroying Lebanon. Trump is already pressing Israel on this. Iran will come across as Lebanon's saviors.

Trump hasn’t (so far) demonstrated the ability to stop Israel from bombing and invading Lebanon, so I’m not sure what we can hope will change before Netanyahu leaves office.

Presumably there's the tacit acceptance that Iran would use that as an excuse to continue funding proxies and launching occasional missile attacks. A return to the status quo ante.

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The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. That's the root issue. JCPOA was never a permanent solution. Under JCPOA, Iran agreed to temporarily cap enrichment for 15 years until 2030. After which, Iran could enrich freely. JCPOA had no extension framework, the deal could not be extended without being renegotiated. And Iranian officials refused to agree to permanent enrichment caps, they said the 15-y…

> The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. The US's own intelligence agencies said they weren't, though.

That's a badly misleading framing of the situation.

The U.S. intelligence community said for more than a year that Iran was weeks away from enriching uranium further to bomb grade, said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association.

"That is extremely worrisome but that is not weeks away from having a nuclear weapon and not weeks away from having a nuclear weapon that can be loaded on a nuclear missile," Kimball said.

"My understanding from non-governmental sources and the internal assessment of the (intelligence community) is that they believe it would take several months or more to fashion the highly enriched uranium bomb grade into a nuclear device, and one to two years to manufacture a small light nuclear device," Kimball said.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/jun/23/Tulsi-Gabbard...

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I’m an Iranian in my 40s, and the regime and Western countries have been negotiating for most of my life. I remember being in high school when the first nuclear talks began, and ever since, it has been a never-ending series of talks, understandings, and plans without any real conclusion. I remember there were cases when they talked for weeks, and their main achievement was agreement on the time and place of the next…

Iranian here as well. This war was a complete disaster, US bombed our kids, our homes and killed more than 3000 people. I’ll be the first one in line to spit on IRGC. I had my cousin sent to Evin for six months after the Mahsa uprising. She was tortured and will never live a normal life again. But I’m glad IRGC defended the land and didn’t let US and Israel turn it into another Syria. I think that internal Iranian is…

Dictators are established when someone is attacking or meddling in a country, which UK and US were genuinely doing from 1950s till now in Iran.

Current government is a product of western actions in Iran.

It’s short sighted. If in 1950s they left Iran alone, the IRGC would disappear a long time ago because their strong grip would not be needed nor justified.

But every western leader wants to record a win, and constant attacks further increases the required grip of the IRGC.

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Also... The US' limitations in its ability to project power have been exposed. Having American bases in the middle east has been shown to be nothing but a liability for host countries. And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period. And Iran has shown that its constitution is strong and power succession is effective even after…

> And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it Also, the idiot in the WH, single handedly turned Iran's many anti-regime citizens to pro-regime and patriotic.

This is a very good point. Not a word about protests recently.

Before the war it felt like the regime was about to collapse, just a matter of time.

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