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Post by kristofferR »

maebert wrote: post #59

The whole artificial scarcity Anthropic created around Mythos / Glasswing is quite brilliant to be honest (I’m Not saying ethical, just brilliant). The commercial gains are one side of course. But consider this: Gets labelled supply chain risk by the pentagon. Hypes up what they claim to be the most advanced hacking tool on the planet. This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. Either deny the NSA acc…

Not only that, but I feel there's a lot to validity of this meme from reddit: https://i.redd.it/jxfayl16q5wg1.jpeg .

Maybe not "completely out", but at least not having enough available capacity to release a model way bigger than Opus publicly.

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Post by mindslight »

kasey_junk wrote: post #82
ethbr1 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most surprising thing about watching the Trump trainwreck has been in how spineless he is about any personal ideological conviction. He cares about perceptions of him. He cares about power and money. But past that it's literally... whoever was last in the room with him. Which in this case was obviously Palantir. And 50 days ago was Hegseth.

Why is that surprising? He’s been that way on the public stage for 40 years. What’s surprising is his base popularity hasn’t moved at all. He’s giving a fair chunk of the population what they want.

Because the only thing they really want is validation of their unserious world view, and their frustration that results from it. Trump's thrashing around without a coherent plan and [inevitably] making our position worse mirrors their own existence.

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Post by hosel »

garbawarb wrote: post #96
daemonologist wrote: post #60

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> This puts the US government into a loose / loose position. You might even call it... a tight spot

Side note, how did the word "lose" become "loose"? I've seen this so many times on HN.

I try to let it go, but this is my pet peeve.

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Post by least »

thrance wrote: post #185
Der_Einzige wrote: post #175

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How many times do we have to tell you this old man? The book and author of the book was serious/not satire and meant everything earnestly at least the time of writing. It’s objectively not meant to be looked at as satire. Most of the “citizenship requires service” stuff would be amazing from the perspective of smashing this countries geriocracy.

Verhoeven is the filmmaker, that adapted the book to the screen. He is very much an anti-fascist, and absolutely did turn the book into a satire of itself and the ideology it tries to convey. > Director Paul Verhoeven admits to have never finished the novel, claiming he read through the first two chapters and became both bored and depressed, calling it "a very right-wing book" in Empire magazine. He then told screenw…

The book does contain fascist themes and Heinlein was not advocating for traditional libertarianism in it. I read it more as exploring the boundaries of liberty and what would constitute a “free” society. The society was, for most, effectively free, just that a normal person didn’t have the right to full citizenship without serving. It was a utopia for the average person - only those that served really saw the absolute horrors of war and were the only ones able to vote and hold office. Would you rather live in a society where your quality of life was genuinely excellent but you weren’t entitled to vote or one where your quality of life is markedly worse but you are allowed to steer the direction of your own governance? It’s a theme explored in many utopian stories, usually with the conclusion that freedom trumps ignorant bliss.

In a vacuum I think the interpretation Verhoeven had is mostly fine. It only becomes apparently ignorant if you’ve read more of Heinlein’s work, where libertarian themes are pervasive.

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Post by paganel »

fineIllregister wrote: post #208
paganel wrote: post #40

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For once the accelerationists were proven right.

Which accelerationists? Accelerationism is a strategy, not an ideology. Two accelerationists might have directly opposed beliefs and goals.

> Two accelerationists might have directly opposed beliefs and goals.

The same way as there has been a left-wing socialism and a right-wing socialism, which in the case of inter-war France (for example) ended up with the Ni droite, Ni gauche slogan. But I can understand that the audience here is not that willing to embrace dialectic thinking, even though discussing about politics of the last 200 years or so without involving said dialectic thinking would be a futile thing.

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Post by Geezus_42 »

JackFr wrote: post #155
mcmcmc wrote: post #138

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> the essence of government is autocratic sovereignty *was Democracy was and is radical for putting the common people in charge of the government. The right to petition for redress of grievances is literally in the first amendment. Government is a social contract, enforced with state violence on one end and mob violence on the other. If you want to return to autocratic rule, I hear North Korea is lovely this time of…

More importantly in the United States we have certain rights which cannot be abridged, even by a majority of the electorate though the government.

Except the politicians just ask their rich friends to do the things they aren't allowed to do and then act like there's nothing they can do.

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

aftbit wrote: post #159
cvwright wrote: post #91

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It’s easy to find sketchy lines of code in any large C project. The big advance that they are claiming with Mythos is the ability to triage all the hundreds of candidate vulns and automatically generate exploits to prove that the real ones are real. And if they’re really finding 27-yr-old 0-days in OpenBSD, then it’s not just hype.

What's the CVE for the 27-yr-old 0-day in OpenBSD?

Depends on the impact? CVE scores are known to be a worthless metric when looking at the actual impact.

Linux now labels every single bug as a CVE.

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Post by tsss »

paganel wrote: post #133
tsss wrote: post #57

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I don't think you're using that word correctly.

Am I not? How would you have used it?

Accelerationists are people who want to embrace the ultra-capitalist surveillance state to force a societal collapse in order to eventually built a better society on its ruins. We are very far from that goal, so I don't see how they have been proven right about anything.

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Post by kriztw »

vbezhenar wrote: post #111
ethbr1 wrote: post #68

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'Anthropic is / isn't lying about Mytho's capabilities' is the less interesting conversation. The more interesting one is: 1. Assuming even incremental AI coding intelligence improvements 2. Assuming increased AI coding intelligence enables it to uncover new zero day bugs in existing software 3. Then open source vs closed source and security/patch timelines will all need to fundamentally change Whether or not Mythos…

> it doesn't appear so, given how able AI tools already are at disassembly? If that's your concern, shareware industry developed tools to obfuscate assembly even from the most brilliant hackers.

That's not true, they did do obfuscation but the main sneaky thing they did was to make hackers think that they had found all of the checks, and then hide checks that would only trigger half way through the game. That kind of obfuscation is also not relevant to security vulnerabilities.

AI is already superhuman at reading and understanding assembly and decompilation output, especially for obfuscated binaries. I have tried giving the same binary with and without heavy control flow obfuscation to the same model, and it was able to understand the obfuscated one just fine.

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Post by Geezus_42 »

Filligree wrote: post #154
Telemakhos wrote: post #123

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Governments are sovereign: they tell people what to do (by making laws, by exercising a monopoly of violence, etc), and nobody tells them what to do. Governments also fight wars, which means lives depend on the government's ability to command. Private companies make products. When those products were plowshares or swords or missiles, the company didn't really have a say over how they were used, and could be compelled…

In American law, companies have the choice of whether or not to do business with the government, outside of a few corner cases. There’s a process for forcing them, but it can’t just be because the leader says so. In this particular case Anthropic had a contract stating what the military could and could not use their models for. The military broke that contract. Anthropic declined to sign a revised one. This is within…

Sure, they have a "choice", except that no one turns done the kind of money the government has to offer, and if the company is public they are legally obligated to increase shareholder value.
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