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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by LightBug1 »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #121
hnburnsy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these car reviewers ever take into account build quality and customer issues. Example they all lashihly praised the EX90, but owners struggled for a year with software problems, then found out the LIDAR they paid for is never going to assist their driving and they need a new computer. Same with Rivian, all of today's reviews praise the R2, but ignore the troubles current owners have not just with the car but…

I would love to come in and buy a BYD with the exact same design flaws, but for 1/3 of the price. Sadly protectionism disallows me from doing that

One of the good things in the UK is seeing how quickly my neighbours swapped out their Tesla's for BYD's.

I'm not in the market at the moment so don't know what the UK protectionism position is on Chinese EV's, but has been interesting to watch how quick it's happening.

I work in design and we're talking to two Chinese EV companies launching in the UK this year, so the wall can't be that high for them.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by grugdev42 »

gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

The car version of this stopped being produced 15 years ago.

Old petrol Toyotas and Hondas met your criteria.

And the back catalogue of parts is huge and supported for a long time.

Modern cars aren't built as well.

Maybe the modern non-turbo petrol Mazdas are the best fallback.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by torginus »

LightBug1 wrote: post #221
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to come in and buy a BYD with the exact same design flaws, but for 1/3 of the price. Sadly protectionism disallows me from doing that

One of the good things in the UK is seeing how quickly my neighbours swapped out their Tesla's for BYD's. I'm not in the market at the moment so don't know what the UK protectionism position is on Chinese EV's, but has been interesting to watch how quick it's happening. I work in design and we're talking to two Chinese EV companies launching in the UK this year, so the wall can't be that high for them.

Imo its not anti-China protectionism. Western models are cheaper in China, and Chinese models are more expensive in the EU & UK.

I think it's a combination of manufacturers wanting a higher profit, some adaptations & certification processes, dealer and service infrastructure necessary for selling in the West that just costs more.

I don't think Chinese manufacturers will be able to significantly undercut the competition while maintaining a desirable quality

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

socialcommenter wrote: post #90
hnburnsy wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, R1S dented rear quarter, $55000 to repair, insurance totaled it out... https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1r19jxb/vivian_is_o...

How are insurers making any money insuring these things nowadays? 30% higher premiums are being mentioned elsewhere in the comments; that doesn't sound like enough!

>How are insurers making any money insuring these things nowadays?

Because insurance is fundamentally a "skim some" model.

They have a massive pool of money. Sure the pool is bleeding all the time because they're paying out, but it's also being replenished by premiums paid in. They invest this "constant" pool of money and the return on this covers overhead plus profit.

So when we're all getting screwed on our premiums because fenders cost tens of thousands and Karens file claims for parking scratches they're making more money, because the same ROI on a bigger pool of money is a bigger number.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by AHASIC »

Animats wrote: post #169

Do you really need a 0-60mph time of 3.0 seconds in a mommymobile?

Having driven a very slow acceleration car, yes, yes you do, trust me. Nothing worse than merging into dense traffic with high-speed trucks next to you and not being able to come up to speed before the ramp ceases.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by jansper39 »

7e wrote: post #6

Length and width wise, it's smaller than a Model Y. It's deceptively styled to look a big boy car, but it's a matchbox. That's why no reviewers will show themselves or anyone else towering over it. It's for those who want a big car, but without all that space. Rivian calls it a mid-size SUV, but that is straight up bullshit.

I just looked up the dimensions and it's ridiculously big. You'd have trouble parking in it most places where I am from.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

jwr wrote: post #161

As a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"? Why would one want to haul so many tons of extra metal around just to transport one's behind?

>As a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"?

Because it's a nominal size more than a descriptive one. Midsize is the second biggest size with only "full size" stuff being bigger.

It made more sense 30-40yr ago when people who remembered when the domestic auto makers mostly only made a full-size, a midsize and a compact car were still alive and of prime car buying age.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by freetime2 »

devmor wrote: post #144

It’s really hard to judge the size of the R2. It looks like I’m looking at an updated R1S. Is this thing crossover sized like a Kia Soul or a Rav4? Or is it bigger?

R2's dimensions are 185.6" x 75" x 66.9". The 2026 RAV4 is 181" x 73" x 66.5". So the R2 is slightly bigger than a RAV4.

The R1S is significantly larger at 200" x 82" x 77.3".

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by closingreunion »

gorgoiler wrote: post #153

I bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a seal…

The [Slate Truck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Truck) seems to be marketing itself with this in mind. But it's backed by Jeff Bezos, so proceed with caution.
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