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Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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This is the kind of design I'd expect from Ive: it is designed to look nice. Ease-of-use is another story. There's a lack of consistency on the wheel controls that make this look more like a UX showcase rather than a usable interface. Case in point: - A bunch of rotary knob that perform the same function: to select. But, they all look different and use different ways to represent the selection. - Some have a lighted…

I think it's fine for wheel controls to look different though. You're adjusting them when engaged with a task that requires constant concentration, so being able to easily identify the control you want and then use it makes sense.

I'd rather have this than all of them look the same. If you're driving in rain and need to swap to wet tyre mode, but have to spend time figuring out which generic knob does the thing, it's dangerous.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

#222
What a letdown.

After having spent (way too much) time in automotive interior and UI-design and leaving the field based on the realization that classic car design organisations across almost all manufacturers are mostly driven by "aesthetics" and gimmicky "tech"-quirks but do not seem to care about actual usability and utility, i had high hopes that Ive would be the one to come up with an interior that actually makes sense.

This might be harsh, but I'm afraid, this will have the same effect on the car industry as Liquid Glass will spill nonsensical decoration for effect's sake across software outside of Apple, taking years to clean up.

Starting with the Steering wheel - Indicators as buttons, really? Then the control modules on the wheel: Good luck figuring out how to use the ACC. Zero buttons for Volume, Prev/Next or even OK/Cancel to navigate anything - meaning you'll have to take your hands off the wheel for almost everything.

Plus, it's a very thin rim and for a performance car not the best choice IMHO.

Good thing though there's ginormous paddles for "torque control".

The instrument cluster is a giant housing for three display areas that are anything but modern, aka Retrobore and in some cases not very good or clear - eg. tire pressure or the three scales in the power dial per mode that are very similar and probably too technical for most users.

I hope there's going to be some customization.

For the head unit itself, while it's nice having the option to swivel the unit it seems overengineered for a secondary feature.

While I'm happy to see physical switches and a rotary dial, the choice for what is being used as switches seems not ideal since the length of the switches might make it hard to use. People won't feel a shape/form and press it, but rather have to put in some muscular effort to hit the switch from the top or bottom and at the right angle - even if you can rest your palm on the handle of the unit.

As for visual design within the UI it almost seems unfinished and not very polished, let alone "luxurious" - especially the climate control screen.

Overall a missed opportunity that carries on the clutter we see today coming out of car manufacturers and neglects core utility in the automotive context.

It's neither focused and clean like most Apple products have been designed nor very emotional or even close to being "Ferrari".

It's the same problem as with everything automotive interior today (and for way too long already):

Decisions driven by automotive-/industrial designers who are caring for sculptural appearances first.

I sincerely hope that at some point we can see this as a chapter from the past - at a point in time where the DRIVER/passengers and ACTUAL utility are paramount and developed with software (and it's established rules about usabililty and affordance) being an integral part.

To add some more snark: Maybe Ive should care less about being chauffered in a Bentley and spend some actual time behind the wheel.

Showing myself out now.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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I wonder what the speed/weight tradeoff is on a Ferrari though. Eg on a Bugatti they can put in a beast of an engine (heavy) because their buyers care only about power output and if it gets 8 miles to a gallon who cares. On an electric sports car, where does the break lie between extra weight for a powerful battery and too much weight to make the car go vroom? Side note: I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the…

> I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the preserve of the very rich and the very poor. That's certainly the way it's worked out with horses after petrol cars took over.

We will have some Amish people driving around in petroleum cars, trying to preserve the old days and the old ways.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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> Side note: I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the preserve of the very rich and the very poor. Sure, except the very poor will be eco criminals (due to being unable to maintain their equipment to relevent emission standards/pay the associated offset fees) and will be selectively hounded and exploited by law enforcement.

At some point, the petrol stations start closing, and petrol vehicles start having range anxiety. The antiques get served by a little EV bowser service that comes round and delivers, but you won't be able to drive them in cities. (diesel will hang on a lot longer, so there may be a period of refinery retuning and petrol stations serving only diesel?)

Well you cant just get rid of Gasoline in the refinery process. Crude oil essentially gets destilled. The different fractions are split based on boiling point/weight. Heavy fuel oil-> Diesel-> Kerosene->Gasoline-> Naphta-> Propane/Butane whatever. That is why making new Plastic is so incredibly cheap. You need (i think) ethylene to make plastic. Ethylene is a byproduct of oil refining. If no one buys it, the whole refinery grinds to a halt because you are not allowed to burn it anymore. They practically give this stuff away. Same thing would happen to gasoline. If fewer people need Gasoline, it will become crazy cheap since you cant really do anything with it, except burn it. So it really isnt that easy. IF you get rid of Diesel/Gasoline you will also get rid of the entire petrochemical industry.Elastomers, plastics, lubricants. A huge lot depends on the sweet dino juice.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

#226

Unfortunately for a lot of performance and luxury oriented Car manufacturers, EVs are a death trap - since they don't have access to any special battery chemistry, the drivetrain is basically a commodity - you can get more HP from Xiaomi than you can get from a Ferrari. Any advatages / weight savings around say carbon chassis will be negligible and probably more of a nuisance in daily driving. Moreover the battery wi…

> Rich Oil Sheikh will reconsider their purchasing choices when it gets overtaken by a Chinese EV equivalent at 1/10th of the price.

A car that John Doe can afford to buy isn’t a status symbol. Why would a rich oil sheik buy that?

They’ll want something that signals wealth.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

#228

In case anyone was wondering what the Apple Car would have looked like inside, it would have been roughly this. As an Apple Car™ it makes sense, but as a Ferrari it's incredibly soulless and oversimplified. This Ive design aesthetic (Dieter Rams' aesthetic really) is fine on consumer electronics where you want the device to disappear and give way to the display, but on something as emotional as a vehicle (Ferrari esp…

EVs have a weight issue that fundamentally constrains their overall design. It is really a tough engineering problem to try to shave weight off of everything, because you are starting out with a 700kg battery replacing a 400kg engine + transmission, so you are ~300kg in the hole, and need to remove 300 kg from the rest of the car. That's why they do crazy stuff like use the battery as part of the structural frame, to…

Weight doesn’t make all that much difference to EV range: aerodynamics are a much more important factor.

Handling and “sports car feel” are affected by weight, though, and this is the real reason that Ferrari would want to cut weight to a minimum on their EV.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

#229

Porsche is the only car company that has nailed interior EV design - IMO. Their interiors look high-end, functional and not just a minimalist big computer screen. https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g46528574/2024-porsche-m...

What do you mean interior EV design? Why does it have to differ from an EV to a gas powered car? You might have some different gauges, a control or two that is different, but other than that, why does an EV have to look a certain way?

> Why does it have to differ from an EV to a gas powered car?

Because they have different design constraints.

It didn’t take long for car manufacturers to figure out that a horseless carriage doesn’t have to look like a carriage. Early ones such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benz_Velo certainly did. You can even see it somewhat in the Ford model T.

Similarly, an electric car doesn’t need an exhaust, and if the engines are in the wheels it doesn’t need a transmission tunnel.

That changes the design constraints, so chances are the optimal design looks different.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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I thought I was going to look at a car when I clicked that link. I scrolled the last 80% of the way out of morbid curiosity. This secondary quest was not disappointing: no car photos. So weird. Perhaps this is a complaint about the title. But since it's all about the interface, I must say, the idea of a sports car with a touch screen is still rather terrifying.

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