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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

This is the French government aiming to have all the government agencies use videoconferencing software that was developed internally by themselves.

So a huge waste of taxpayers money...

This is a pure ongoing cost to develop and maintain (more so than using an market product) while not getting any traction externally. The productive way to do this is to encourage private companies to develop these products and to support them with government contracts. There are not going to conpete with Silicon Valley if they don't create actual private competitors. Absolutely ridiculous approach but unfortunately typical of the industrial scale waste of the French government...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by earthnail »

aerhardt wrote: post #220

I've been recently researching if I could replace American cloud providers with something like OVH or Hetzner (the latter I occasionally use for VPS) and there is no fucking chance. It's great that 37signals and DHH can do it, and I have no trouble believing they have saved money, but for situations in which I operate, both startup and enterprise environments but where devs are scarce and teams small, it's simply not…

I moved my stuff to Hetzner. Obv I have no idea about your situation, but I found it fairly trivial for my stuff.

But I can't figure out how to replace GSuite.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by oulipo2 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #200
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT. They had their chance with Mistral and failed spectacularly with just creating anti-AI regulations. As a European I'm happy to use their product (and pay for it), I just ask one tiny little thing from them: build a better model with lower latency.

1. ChatGPT is shit

2. We prefer anti-AI regulations and not having a stupid Musk indoctrinating half the country

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by brightball »

realo wrote: post #199
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

Canada is (was?) the single biggest commercial partner of the USA and Trump, in one of his tantrums, threatened to destroy that this week, with 100% tariffs. Canada is very much in the same boat as the EU.

Why did he threaten 100% tariffs?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by lm28469 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #200
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT. They had their chance with Mistral and failed spectacularly with just creating anti-AI regulations. As a European I'm happy to use their product (and pay for it), I just ask one tiny little thing from them: build a better model with lower latency.

> There's only one thing they need to replace if they want to show independence: ChatGPT

Before or after the bubble pops?

What does chatgpt has over competitors again? Besides a deranged ceo of course

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by lm28469 »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #219
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

>2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market I was making hardware at one point, and it took less than a day to decide that Europe was not getting our product. The regulations were insane. I imagine software is significantly easier, but there is a mountain of difference when it comes to electrical and plumbing.

Regulations are le bad.

- signed someone from a country where ~10m people still drink water from lead pipes (the USA)

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ihaveajob »

brightball wrote: post #224
realo wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada is (was?) the single biggest commercial partner of the USA and Trump, in one of his tantrums, threatened to destroy that this week, with 100% tariffs. Canada is very much in the same boat as the EU.

Why did he threaten 100% tariffs?

Delusion? Dementia? Being surrounded by yes-men?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by lm28469 »

cmiles8 wrote: post #70

I wish them luck, but while saying folks will drop the dominant apps seems all the rage at the moment people have been saying this for decades with almost no real progress at scale. The only way to accomplish this at scale is to build something that is legit better and let the market decide. Anything else is just principled wishful thinking.

You're delusional if you think people willingly use half of these products, remove the billions spent on lobbyism and these things will evaporate in 5 years tops

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by kl4m »

brightball wrote: post #224
realo wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada is (was?) the single biggest commercial partner of the USA and Trump, in one of his tantrums, threatened to destroy that this week, with 100% tariffs. Canada is very much in the same boat as the EU.

Why did he threaten 100% tariffs?

He did not like the Canadian prime minister's speech about "great powers" weaponizing economic integration, so he decided to prove him right.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by cmiles8 »

swiftcoder wrote: post #149
cmiles8 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think that’s accurate. These issues were always there, but “the sky is falling” rhetoric is all the rage at the moment (in both directions).

> “the sky is falling” rhetoric It's hardly rhetoric, from the European perspective. The EU is already embroiled in a proxy war against a major power in Ukraine, and are now faced with the prospect of their strongest erstwhile ally moving to annex EU territory. Simultaneous war on two fronts, where one opponent is deeply embedded in your supply chains, is an existential threat.

I’ll give you that the current US administration isn’t exactly scoring points for subtle diplomatic negotiation, but remember too that most of the United States was purchased from other countries.

It’s not a completely bonkers idea that the US could purchase all or some of Greenland. In the end, we’ll probably just see a strengthening or enforcement of the existing treaty for US military use of Greenland which is all the US wanted. Europe is still getting used to the president’s rather unique, and yes aggressive, negotiation style born out of his NYC real estate developer days.

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