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Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Telekom is a bunch of strange folks. I lately was not able to send mails, from my private mail servrr to my fathers telekom mail. After investigation I found out my server got blocked. After a decade of working. I mailed them, and they told me to register my mailserver with them. I shall tell them what mails I will send from there and about what content. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Sure, thats how mail was supposed t…

Been there, done that. After a bit of back and forth, Telekom basically recommended that I go and use one of the big SMTP servers and stop bothering them. While I hated myself for doing it, I eventually switched to Gmail for peace of mind.

Unfortunately some inbound servers will block emails if the originating server does not match the From: address.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Regulating peering within the EU would already be a win. The providers are then free to either move out of the EU market, or let their non-EU traffic flow via the (then likely larger) unrestricted pipes at DECIX and AMSIX. If they think that routing everything via EU is cheaper instead of just peering better in the other parts of the world to deliver traffic locally, then be it, that is their own economic freedom to…

> Regulating peering within the EU would already be a win. Regulating peering how? Freedom of commerce is one of the core pillars of the EU. Forcing a company to do business with another company is insanity. If DTAG doesn't want to peer with CloudFlare, you can't force them.

> Forcing a company to do business with another company is insanity.

This already happens all the time, and especially in telecommunications. Interconnection is a core of telecommunications law everywhere.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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I'm not sure you read the OP's comment in full. They are talking about inbound traffic from the Internet. It's certainly a lot more common a case to self-host an MX than running an open DNS resolver or authorative name server.

You may be surprised to learn that there are many types of botnets out there, and many use DNS queries for the C&C. Although the GP wrote "53/tcp" that is a weird situation, because most (not all) DNS is over UDP. One day I suddenly found my DNS resolver logs were very active with veritable gibberish. And it seems that my router had been pwned and joined some sort of nefarious botnet. I only found this out because I…

Just like the parent, you too have gotten your ins and outs mixed up.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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ISPs are the worst. Currently I use Telekom's 5G for my home internet connection in Hungary as Telekom is the only company who has a cable in my street, but they refused to sell me wired internet due to the hole they use to take their underground cable up to the houses being already over capacity (it turns out this "hole" serves like the entire street with cables being run across everyone's attic...). I previously us…

> ISPs are the worst. DTAG is not just a run-of-the-mill consumer ISP. They are a global Tier-1 carrier. Which of course makes their behavior all that much worse.

They are a tier-1-wannabe. Tier 1 in prices, tier 3 in connectivity. No international peering to speak of, negligible international cables and presence compared to real tier 1.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Is there a government requirement to be reachable by its citizens? That would seem to violate it.

I mean, yes? But that's by sending a letter, or a fax. Email is not part of this...

This should have been updated decades ago to include email. Is it possible for any government to function properly?

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Telekom is a bunch of strange folks. I lately was not able to send mails, from my private mail servrr to my fathers telekom mail. After investigation I found out my server got blocked. After a decade of working. I mailed them, and they told me to register my mailserver with them. I shall tell them what mails I will send from there and about what content. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Sure, thats how mail was supposed t…

Does anyone self host email anymore successfully? I'm honestly asking. I would like to but it seems like a full time job trying to keep it running. Are there halfway solutions where maybe you own the service and domain and it runs somewhere trusted?

I self host email and have done so, with the same domain, since ~2000.

My IP has not changed since 2010 and I have perfect dkim/dmarc/rdns and whatever duct taped bullshit de jure is currently being practiced.

Everything generally works.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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I mean, yes? But that's by sending a letter, or a fax. Email is not part of this...

This should have been updated decades ago to include email. Is it possible for any government to function properly?

We are repeating obvious things here aren't we? I moved to Germany from a very pro IT country Finland. I've been here now for 15 years, and while I still disagree with their idea of dismissing email, I kind of got used to it. A couple more decades and it'll happen...

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Small tangent, but I feel like it is a good time to drop the term "net neutrality", which covers way too much ground. In the past in political discussions, the term "violation of net neutrality" was used to protest multiple different issues: * Traffic shaping (e.g. slowing down Bittorrent traffic) * Traffic fast lanes (pay for priority access to some content providers) * Selective zero-rating (exclude some providers…

Replacing net neutrality with a bunch of smaller issues means you have to educate and lobby N times as much. And every time ISPs find a new loophole you'd have to start from scratch.

Looking at this case specifically, "fast lane" is not a technical term so maybe in your mind it only means packet scheduling not refusal to upgrade capacity but that's not a universal definition.

Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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For comparison: you can bring your own DOCSIS modem to a cable network, even though all the houses on the street are connected to the same cable and you could jam it, or send a voltage spike to break everyone's modem.

Not very familiar with DOCSIS and cable; the story I'm getting from my nearest friendly LLM is that while you could bring your cable modem, it'd have to be a pre-approved model, and that the firmware and configuration would be under ISP control, unlike with DSL modems. Is that wrong?

In Germany it's wrong.
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