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The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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What does Jimmy Kimmel have to do with anything? Plus, citation needed.

Kimmel is still on the MAGA troll sanction list.

I don't have a dog in that fight. Not the bipartisan stuff. My main resentment against Kimmel is how he seems to be prioritised in my YouTube suggestions.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Many in Norway and Sweden distanced themselves from the Nobel Peace Prize at the time it was awarded to Machado because it was obvious it was such a bad decision. Julian Assange even filed a criminal complaint in Sweden last month to try to stop the Swedish Nobel Foundation paying out over $1 million dollars to her, arguing it's going against Alfred Nobel's will, and they have a responsibility to respect his will. He…

The problem with the peace prize is it seems like its given out to people who they hope will bring peace instead of people who actually have brought peace. We don't award the chemistry one to people with a promising research program, we award it to people who actually have discovered things that we actually know changed the field. If we awarded the peace prize based on actual accomishments judged with the benefit of…

They didn't give it to Machado hoping she would bring peace. In fact, they did it for the opposite reason. They awarded it at the height of tension and build-up of US forces outside Venezuela, while they were blowing up boats in the Carribean, to encourage Trump to go even further. Something btw which Machado wholeheartedly supported and encouraged.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

There was also Abiy Ahmed, who went on to commit a genocide [1] the following year in Ethopia, it's less talked about than the one Palestine. Imagine giving Benjamin Netanyahu the nobel peace price, what a joke of an institution. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_genocide

To be fair in this case, they gave it to him for making peace and ending a long-running conflict. A peace which didn't last evidently and was overshadowed by his later actions. Not unlike Aung San Suu Kyi.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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it's quite incredible that trump put himself on the list of autocrats being given others prizes

Hum... the word "autocrat" might be too polite, and some in the Trump fan club might actually not understand it's meaning completely. I would suggest "fascist", instead.

I'll give you that.

ps: there should be a discussion on the overall group behind him too (project25, techbros, orban links etc)

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Before leaving the house, I find it helpful to imagine the median intelligence level in my geographic area (local, or country as a whole) and then recall that about half the population has a level below that point.

The issue isn't intelligence per se . It's ignorance (often willful ignorance), dogmatism, media illiteracy, political illiteracy, etc. There are many intelligent (but evil) people in the Trump administration and not every Trump voter is a dunce. Framing them all as stupid isn't useful, because it doesn't help us understand and counteract what's happening.

I agree with this. I was describing what, for me, is something akin to a stoic practice.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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post #80

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To be fair, it's not the first extremely questionable Nobel Peace Prize award, for example, Henry Kissinger. While not nearly as egregious, Barack Obama was a bizarre choice, too.

I think the criminal complaint in Sweden route is the only path that has had some success in the past in trying to make these organisations accountable for the peace prize. Swedes like to wash their hands of Nobel Peace Prize responsibility, pointing to Norway instead (it's the only prize where the comittee deciding is in Norway and not Sweden). But the foundation that pays all the winners, including the peace prize…

I didn't realise Julian Assange's full complaint had been published (I couldn't find it at the time I looked into it).

But it's now available for anyone interested. Extract below:

CRIMINAL COMPLAINT

Submitted to:

• Ekobrottsmyndigheten (Swedish Economic Crime Authority), Hantverkargatan 15, 112 21 Stockholm.

• Krigsbrottsenheten (Swedish War Crimes Unit), Kungsholmsgatan 43, 106 75 Stockholm.

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The political decision of the Norwegian selection committee does not suspend the fiduciary duty of Swedish funds administrators. Where a decision by the selection committee is in flagrant conflict with the explicit peace purpose of the will, or where there is evidence that the awardee will use or is using the prize to promote or facilitate the crime of aggression, crimes against humanity, or war crimes, administrators must resolve the conflict in favor of the will. They must safeguard the endowment by declining to disburse funds. The Norwegian committee’s selection does not grant them criminal immunity.

More: https://file.wikileaks.org/files/2025/machado29-dist.pdf

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Fun fact, Oscar winners don't fully own their statues since 1950. AMPAS reserves the right to buy it back for $1 if they want to sell it. Ownership of the statue is conditional, meaning it can't be freely sold or disposed of.

"oh, I must have lost it. Since you're claiming it's worth one dollar, here's a fiver, keep the change"

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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post #20

The Nobel Peace Prize is meaningless. No matter who or why and to whome it was given. It has nothing to do with the other Nobel Prizes.

> The Nobel Peace Prize is meaningless. No! It’s a warning sign.

The last one given to someone who didn't win it went to Goebbels, the Nazi war enthusiast. I hope it isn't too accurate a warning sign.

Re: The Nobel Prize and the Laureate Are Inseparable

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Since when is Jimmy Kimmel a journalist? He hosts a late night talk show.

He is now presenting op-eds on YouTube.

An op-ed is an outside opinion piece published by a news organization, historically in a print newspaper or magazine.

It's irrelevant if he's giving his opinion on a subject in a YouTube video; it's still not journalism (and it's not even an op-ed, since he's effectively self-publishing).

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