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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

estimator7292 wrote: post #218
p_ing wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're correct, and those are likely all little-used in the grand scheme of Windows users (MBR -> GPT for certain).

Waving it away as little-used features is not an excuse, it's the entire reason things got this way. That's why we have layers upon layers of half baked UI with "only" the controls that "everyone" needs. Because those rationalizations are wrong and this is the result.

I would expect Microsoft to relegate little used features to CLI rather than figure out how to integrate them into the UX.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by prinny_ »

I built a new pc for gaming 2 years ago with windows 11 and I can’t see myself using this OS again when I retire it. From randomly losing Bluetooth, to keyboard resets, to the hilarious failure that is the new right click menu (which lags a bit before appearing, something that I find hilarious) it’s just a bad user experience through and through. My new pc will either run Linux or be a Mac mini. Hopefully Linux gaming will continue to improve and I will be able to completely ditch windows once and for all.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

pipes wrote: post #115
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I finally updated a couple of months ago after putting it off forever and it's been fine for me too. I'm on Pro version and I just used this as the first step after upgrading: https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat No issues so far, no ads, none of the complaints others are seeing. I'm a power user too: I do gaming, programming, music production, video editing, etc. All of those things are fine. My only real problem…

The average home user probably won't know what power shell and GitHub are. I can't run the scripts you are talking about on my work pc. I can sympathise with your point of view but it does feel a bit like "works for me because I know what I'm doing". Also how long before another Windows update that undoes what the scripts do. I used to be very pro windows simply because of backwards compatibility and hardware support…

I was answering with the idea in mind that this is "HackerNews" and most here are not "average" home users, but I see your point.

Does the average home user care about any of these complaints though? In my experience, they don't really, and I'm not even sure how many use desktop operating systems these days considering everything has shifted towards mobile.

I'm not "pro" windows by the way. In fact if you look through my history, you'll see I resisted the change to Windows 10 and have tried migrating to Linux without luck. I would love to move away from Microsoft when given a realistic opportunity to do so. I loathe Microsoft trying to take up real estate within the private boundaries of my life. I just think some of these reported issues are widely exaggerated is all.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by CamperBob2 »

p_ing wrote: post #191
12_throw_away wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> data showing that the removed options weren’t used that frequently [...] Most users don’t miss it Um, I am very skeptical that Microsoft's KPIs have this level of alignment with actual user workflows.

Of course they do. It's all the telemetry that some people complain about.

I wonder how much overlap there is between people who disable telemetry and people who use the right mouse button in Explorer.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by estimator7292 »

runako wrote: post #147
awesan wrote: post #29

I installed Linux (an arch-based distro) last month. There have been some minor issues but nothing worse than what I experienced regularly on Windows recently. My computer feels fast again and when things randomly break I can at least get to the root cause and fix it myself. I used to quite like Windows, but it has gotten worse every patch day for years now. The pain of learning a new system is not so bad and at leas…

> My computer feels fast again A while back (Win XP?), I got frustrated with Windows and installed Linux on my dev machine instead. But I still had to run Windows, so I installed VMWare on Linux on that machine and ran Windows in a VM. For whatever reason, Windows was noticeably faster in the VM than running on bare metal. Super bizarre OS.

In my last job my Windows box was unbelievably slow at compilation. Windows Defender was burning 70% of the CPU on watching GCC I guess.

Using Linux in a VM compiled three times faster.

I don't know how people tolerate it.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by gregors »

prinny_ wrote: post #222

I built a new pc for gaming 2 years ago with windows 11 and I can’t see myself using this OS again when I retire it. From randomly losing Bluetooth, to keyboard resets, to the hilarious failure that is the new right click menu (which lags a bit before appearing, something that I find hilarious) it’s just a bad user experience through and through. My new pc will either run Linux or be a Mac mini. Hopefully Linux gamin…

I've been running Steam on both linux and windows. This year I was 85% Linux.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by mananaysiempre »

Spivak wrote: post #164
ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

> But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before It's not, which is the point. They're trying to get people off the old way of extending the shell. If they just wanted to reskin the right click menu to look "modern" they could have done that. https://blogs.windows.com/blog/2021/07/19/extending-the-cont...

Right, that’s the strange part. I originally thought that the split was caused by the old shell APIs requiring honest-to-goodness HMENUs with all that implies, but File Pilot[1] does have reskin the old menu with some success so evidently that’s not completely impossible.

[1] https://filepilot.tech/

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by robocat »

gregors wrote: post #216
robocat wrote: post #165

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Why don't laptop manufacturers deliver models with Linux? I presume the problem is that users cause support costs? Or that Linux and App updates cause costs? Windows users have many support issues, however the users don't blame the laptop manufacturer? I guess Chromebooks serve that market. And Google allow Linux installs on Chromebooks (helps attack Windows instalbase, but too little)

Dell offers several models with Ubuntu. Other smaller manufacturers also support linux, for example Framework and System76. A tiny minority to be sure. Microsoft's EOL for Win10 means a lot of people are either going to e-waste their old laptop or just run without patches if they can't afford new hardware. I'm actively helping people convert to Ubuntu if they want to give it a try. Their computer is effectively EOL s…

Yeah. I bought an expensive XPS since I couldn't get a Toshiba any more. I have always disliked Dell consumer product engineering but it was the best choice for Linux at the time. Unfortunately it eventually got flickering vertical pixel wide lines on the 4k screen (looked like a hardware issue - but might have been drivers). I had hoped they had fixed the transformer squeel mentioned as an issue on the older models: however the fucking thing squeeks with load (Dell didn't listen to user complaints, and didn't fix the problem).

I disabled sleep and hibernation because it never worked well (hot laptop in bag or flat battery).

On purchase I felt I needed to install a WiFi module with better Linux support (even though that interferes with warrantee?).

Admittedly Dell had superb ongoing Linux support for updating the BIOS - I would worry about that issue with other brands.

However I suspect overall I would never buy another Dell again.

I would help friends install Linux, however most of my friends either get a laptop through work or they have Macs.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by dyauspitr »

ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

It’s not even that. If you do it often enough sometimes the old (vastly more useful) menu shows up and sometimes it’s the new menu. There is no rhyme or reason.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by icegreentea2 »

mmcnl wrote: post #219
ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

I actually don't mind this at all. These days the norm seems to be to drop features just because it's more convenient. I think this hybrid approach is not bad at all: the new menu is more aesthetically pleasing and consistent from a UX perspective, and if you really need something that is not there yet you can always use the old menu. For all its faults I think it's strange to criticize Microsoft for maintaining back…

The real problem is there's no setting to default to the classic menu, and you have to do regedit BS.
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