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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by andrepd »

compsciphd wrote: post #201
andrepd wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Condemning the 7/Oct attacks as an unacceptable act of terrorism is "being a mouthpiece of Hamas"!!! Fucking _disgusting_, and many stronger words I'm trying my best to contain. We're reaching levels of wretchedness that I've never thought possible. Truly no shame anymore.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe... This is her statement essentially saying Israel bombed a hospital that we now know as close to a fact as we can, that they did not and that in fact it was a palestinian rocket that fell on the hospital. But lets say we can't know that for a fact. She was still parroting Hamas's line without any ability to validate the statement. This statement amongst ma…

If the best case you can make for your position is a retracted statement from over two years ago, consider that perhaps your position is not as strong as you think.

Anyway

> On Friday 13 October, Israel ordered hospitals and the population of northern Gaza to evacuate to southern Gaza. Because of insufficient beds in the southern Gaza Strip and no means of transporting patients, such as newborns in incubators or patients on ventilators, the evacuation orders were widely regarded as impossible to comply with.

> The Anglican Diocese of Jerusalem stated the hospital had received at least three evacuation warnings from the Israeli military on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday.

After repeated warnings of imminent Israeli shelling, the immediate explanation for an explosion killing half a thousand people if obviously Israeli shelling. After a more thorough investigation, new facts come to light.

But regardless, all of this is moot! In what conceivable way are extra-judicial reprisals for opinions or public speeches an acceptable state of affairs in a democracy? This is what is being discussed, not the particulars of Albanese's reports.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by fc417fc802 »

the_biot wrote: post #104
mavamaarten wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My country launched an identification app ( https://mygov.be/ ) that does the same thing. I have no idea what they're trying to achieve. Security through obscurity? Trying to piss off power users? I'm a developer and use adb and some dev settings daily. Annoying af to have to disable developer mode constantly.

It's fundamentally client-side security: the phone tells the server "no, I haven't been rooted" and the server believes it. Any security system that relies on any form of client-side security is going to have other problems as well, since its designers haven't grasped this basic principle.

That used to be a core principle but might not be guaranteed anymore. Depending on the implementation it can be near impossible to bypass modern hardware backed security. As it should be!

The policy issue at this point is that users effectively aren't in control of their devices anymore.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by throw-the-towel »

throwaway290 wrote: post #89
embedding-shape wrote: post #20

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> and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD What is this about? I'm a EU citizen, never heard about any EU citizen getting removed from any EU bank because of USD. Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow. Is there any link to a story about this?

> unless they're Russia-related somehow this is doing a lot of work. at what point person stops being Russia related in your view?

GP's view doesn't matter. What does matter is the bank's view, and banks tend to be as cautious as they can be.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by [deleted] »

embedding-shape wrote: post #20
sschueller wrote: post #9

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

> and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD What is this about? I'm a EU citizen, never heard about any EU citizen getting removed from any EU bank because of USD. Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow. Is there any link to a story about this?

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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by immibis »

pas wrote: post #208
immibis wrote: post #162

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The reason banks do this is that if they don't comply with US tax laws they'll be cut off from all US-based banking systems including international payments (universally conducted in USD), cut off from issuing any credit or debit cards (they are all US-based networks) and the CEO will be arrested if he ever steps foot on American soil. So basically, the US is forcing them to do this and they don't have a choice unles…

yes, but that's not de-banking. it's banking being shitty. (it's the same problem as healthcare and construction, a shitton of regulation, some competition, but no real big differences, and a lot of global dependencies [from generic pharma producers to HVAC/heatpumps and global commodity prices for construction materials and patents and prefab systems and ...], but ultimately local bottlenecks.) obviously it sucks th…

That's debanking. Debanking is whenever you can't have a bank account. It doesn't matter what the reason is.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by 627467 »

idle_zealot wrote: post #205
627467 wrote: post #170

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> We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies which companies? google? I'm the first to blame them for almost anything, but how about Postfinance, twint, health insurers, landlords, all those companies you mention? shouldn't they offer ways to do business with them that does not involve some third party? - for example, OP mentions that hsbc website still works for them on android, this is more t…

> Everyone goes to the "simplest" target - Google in this case - to blame for the status quo, but Google is in this position because everybody else Eh, I think we ought to dole out our ire in accordance with the damage. All are responsible to varying degrees, but Google is the most powerful, and has the greatest ability to curb bad behavior if they wanted to, so they get and deserve the most blame second only to the…

Dole out the ire, but it won't fix the problem until you realize that everyone's dismissal of ownership and responsibility in exchange for convenience is what creates the googles and apples of the world.

Google will argue they are enforcing good behaviour: if you want to rely on their technical guarantees you follow their rules/specs.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by pas »

immibis wrote: post #225
pas wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, but that's not de-banking. it's banking being shitty. (it's the same problem as healthcare and construction, a shitton of regulation, some competition, but no real big differences, and a lot of global dependencies [from generic pharma producers to HVAC/heatpumps and global commodity prices for construction materials and patents and prefab systems and ...], but ultimately local bottlenecks.) obviously it sucks th…

That's debanking. Debanking is whenever you can't have a bank account. It doesn't matter what the reason is.

if you are a US citizen you can have US bank account

HSBC UK also is available (and the account can be opened from the US remotely)

in the EU there's Santander (OpenBank), and Wise, Revolut

debanking is IMHO when simply being too poor or otherwise disadvantaged results in having no viable pathway at all for having a normal account, which here is not the case.

(and this is something the EU could/should fix by negotiating with the US, and/or by helping banks to bear the costs of compliance, etc.)

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by throwaway290 »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #223
throwaway290 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unless they're Russia-related somehow this is doing a lot of work. at what point person stops being Russia related in your view?

GP's view doesn't matter. What does matter is the bank's view, and banks tend to be as cautious as they can be.

obviously I meant what in GPs view it is in bank's eyes.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by consumer451 »

bdcravens wrote: post #167
merek wrote: post #155

If you've ever built a website for mobile but never heard of PWAs (Progressive Web Apps), I recommend checking them out. In essence, adding 2 files can make the site installable from a mobile browser and define caching behavior for offline functionality. 1. manifest.json: a JSON file that defines the app's name, icons, theme colors, and how it should launch when installed. 2. Service worker: a JS file that controls t…

PWAs have been around for several years, and have never caught on despite all the discussion about the evils of app stores, drama with side loading, etc. They're a fine solution, but not a good fit if you're expecting "normal" users to use the app.

Also, iOS really appears to go out of their way to make them work worse. For example, not loading new versions predictably, and the address bar not minimizing like it does on normal websites. I am sure there are many more.

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Post by machomaster »

fpoling wrote: post #147
ivell wrote: post #111

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Financial sovereignty is one of the reasons India went with its own RuPay ( https://www.rupay.co.in/credit-cards ) credit cards.

Russia after starting aggressive war against Ukraine quickly deployed own version of payment system. And it has been working much better than Visa/Madtercards with much more straightforward integration with online services and very intuitive apps. Russian people who moved from Russia as refugees or just to escape mobilization or prosecution have found banking system in EU/UK/US are rather unsmooth to put it mildly.

1. "Quickly deployed" is misleading. The work started after 2014 when the idea of closing Russia from the SWIFT system was first discussed. Europeans didn't do that at that time (and they were, that would have been hugely problematic for Russian banks), but made Russia initiate technical work to add in-country backend. In 2022 they finally had to turn it on. But the work was 8 years in the making.

2. When it comes to Mir (Visa/Mastercard) alternatives, it is not that wide-spread.

3. The awesomeness of Russian Fintech (and IT/tech in general) is a separate thing, that has everything to do with Russians' technological ingenuity, not the government/sanctions/patriotism/safety/risk-management/sovereignty/independence.

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