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Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by Vosporos »

_ache_ wrote: post #68
embedding-shape wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of sanctioning is world-wide, isn't it? Not specifically targeting EU banks, but rather she's blacklisted from any bank in the world who follows those blacklisting lists, at least from what I understand it. Parent's comment gave me the impression that this was something exclusive to EU (and Swiss) banks in particular, since they were mentioned by name.

No. It's a MasterCard/Visa only (and Amercian Express I guess, maybe JCB too). So technically, she can pay by card in France, Belgium, India and others countries that don't rely exclusively on Visa/MasterCard. With local cards.

Carte Bleue in France was absorbed by Visa in 2010 I'm afraid.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by savant2 »

kjksf wrote: post #86
hkt wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An Italian citizen who was debanked essentially because Trump didn't like her: https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-12-28/the-comp... When it comes to this kind of thing, an injury to one is an injury to all and we need to not tolerate it. At minimum, we need regulations guaranteeing that Visa and MasterCard, as well as participating banks, aren't allowed to debank anyone without judicial oversight. Make the…

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So Trump can support war criminals like Netanyahu, but when someone says Israel shouldn't colonize Palestine and practice appartheid, she becomes a mouthpiece of Hamas? Get your facts together.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by the_biot »

mavamaarten wrote: post #47
hasperdi wrote: post #7

It will not work either if you have developer mode enabled. These things HSBC app does, I think it's overreaching

My country launched an identification app ( https://mygov.be/ ) that does the same thing. I have no idea what they're trying to achieve. Security through obscurity? Trying to piss off power users? I'm a developer and use adb and some dev settings daily. Annoying af to have to disable developer mode constantly.

It's fundamentally client-side security: the phone tells the server "no, I haven't been rooted" and the server believes it.

Any security system that relies on any form of client-side security is going to have other problems as well, since its designers haven't grasped this basic principle.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by pdpi »

ben_w wrote: post #99
pdpi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, moving here involved basically buying a plane ticket, and, after I got here, booking an appointment to get a National Insurance number (basically equivalent to an American Social Security number). Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that.

My experience moving to Germany from the UK in 2018 was only one step harder than that from bureaucracy — two appointments, one for social security and the other for an ID card. Not even that I had a much poorer grasp of the German language than I realised was a problem*, as the bureaucracy is mostly bilingual and when it isn't has interpreters. The only actual hard part was just that the rental market in Berlin has…

> The only actual hard part was just that the rental market in Berlin has vastly more demand than supply.

If you were in London, it's like you never left home!

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by mytailorisrich »

embedding-shape wrote: post #93
pdpi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, moving here involved basically buying a plane ticket, and, after I got here, booking an appointment to get a National Insurance number (basically equivalent to an American Social Security number). Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that.

> Never occurred to me that moving to any other EU country might be harder than that. I don't think it is? I moved to Spain from other EU country the same way, basically bought the cheapest one-way plane ticket I could find, spent ~1 month here before deciding I wanted to live here, then got myself the local residence card one morning and that's about it. Everything else just worked by using my passport in the meanti…

> Then got myself the local residence card one morning

Well, exactly. Some countries require/required registration and residence card. That did not exist in the UK when it was in the EU, you just showed your passport/ID card when you needed to prove your right to be there (basically once in a blue Moon). Even now EU residents don't have any physical documents.

The National Insurance number @pdpi mentioned is unrelated as everyone has one once they work and an appointment is not always required to get one, and you can actually start working before you get one.

If you work as an employee there is also usually nothing to do regarding tax.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by denysvitali »

sschueller wrote: post #9

That's Google's SafeNet. HSBC picked a level that causes this. Google manages the blacklist of apps. We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. People in Switzerland and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD. The US has started to sancti…

At least in Switzerland banks can choose to not use Play Integrity, but they generally don't want to.

Yuh, which once was owned by both Postfinance and Swissquote, works without Play Integrity. Support for GrapheneOS is confirmed - see https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is...

The real issue is that most "legacy" banks have to comply with stupid regulations that force them to come up with these stupid solutions.

Banks are lazy and find the quickest way to comply with said regulations - simply by enabling Google Play Integrity.

About the whole US thingie - yes, that's true, and it's what happens if you get sanctioned. I'm pretty sure russians (and other people from sanctioned countries) have similar limitations elsewhere. In Switzerland US nationals have huge problems in opening accounts because of the whole bank secrecy law that allowed many americans to hide money from the IRS in Switzerland.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by jsiepkes »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
sschueller wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it does. But my device, my choice. If I put my cash the under my mattress instead of a safe that is my dumb decision.

> But my device, my choice Given there is a choice, and given HSBC is on the hook if you get hacked in most jurisdictions, it seems fair to chalk this one up as a stupid move by HSBC that's nevertheless within their rights.

HSBC is on the hook if I get hacked? I can't think of companies having to pay up because their customers got hacked because of their doing. Let alone if it wasn't directly their doing. Solarwinds was for example never forced to pay a dime.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by andrepd »

kjksf wrote: post #86
hkt wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An Italian citizen who was debanked essentially because Trump didn't like her: https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-12-28/the-comp... When it comes to this kind of thing, an injury to one is an injury to all and we need to not tolerate it. At minimum, we need regulations guaranteeing that Visa and MasterCard, as well as participating banks, aren't allowed to debank anyone without judicial oversight. Make the…

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Condemning the 7/Oct attacks as an unacceptable act of terrorism is "being a mouthpiece of Hamas"!!! Fucking _disgusting_, and many stronger words I'm trying my best to contain.

We're reaching levels of wretchedness that I've never thought possible. Truly no shame anymore.

Re: HSBC blocks its app due to F-Droid-installed Bitwarden

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Post by bialpio »

gambiting wrote: post #75
embedding-shape wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the EU are being de-banked by local banks because of US pressure allowing them to force any bank that wants to use USD What is this about? I'm a EU citizen, never heard about any EU citizen getting removed from any EU bank because of USD. Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow. Is there any link to a story about this?

Yeah absolutely - I have an account with mBank in Poland and I got a letter from them saying that I need to declare if I'm a "tax person" in the US and if yes then unfortunately they will be forced to close my account as they would have to report all of my banking to some US insistution and that's not worth the hassle of having me as a client.

I am a dual citizen of Poland and USA and haven't had any problems using mBank so far. I even opened 2 foreign currency accounts (USD, EUR) there after they had been made aware of my newly obtained US citizenship. Not sure why you're having issues with them.
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