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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by layer8 »

mittermayr wrote: post #110

Additional note on Codeberg, which I think is great as a project, but I got curious on what infrastructure they are running on and how reliable this would be for larger corporate repos. Nov 22, 2025 https://blog.codeberg.org/letter-from-codeberg-onwards-and-u... Quotes from their website: Infrastructure status [...] We are running on 3 servers, one Gigabyte and 2 Dell servers (R730 and R740). Here's their current har…

To be fair, Codeberg isn’t for corporate repos, it’s for FLOSS projects. Take a look at their Terms of Use. They don’t aim to be a commercial provider, rather the opposite.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by foldr »

baq wrote: post #204
foldr wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This attitude sucks and is pretty close to just being flame bait. There are all kinds of developer who would have no reason to ever have come across it.

A competent developer should be aware of the tools of the trade. I'm not saying a competent developer should be proficient in using gerrit, but they should know that it isn't an obscure tool - it's a google-sponsored project handling millions of lines of code internally in google and externally. It's like calling golang an obscure language when all you ever did is java or typescript.

It’s silly to assume that someone isn’t competent just because you know about a tool that they don’t know about. The inverse is almost certainly also true.

Is there some kind of Google-centrism at work here? Most devs don’t work at Google or contribute to Google projects, so there is no reason for them to know anything about Gerrit.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by Handy-Man »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #144
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

That's only here, he has been doubling down on Mastodon

https://mastodon.social/@andrewrk

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by zahlman »

mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

>a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners.

It feels to me like people have become way too reliant on this (in particular, forcing things into CI that could easily be done locally) and too trusting of those runners (ISTR some reports of malware).

>In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser.

I've always found their navigation quite clunky and glitchy.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bayindirh »

63stack wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try exposing a paswordless SSH server to outside to see what happens. It'll be tried immediately, non-stop. Now, all the servers I run has no public SSH ports, anymore. This is also why I don't expose home-servers to internet. I don't want that chaos at my doorstep.

This is just FUD, there is nothing dangerous in having an SSH server open to the internet that only allows key authentication. Sure, scanners will keep pinging it, but nobody is ever going to burn an ssh 0day on your home server.

> This is just FUD.

No, it's just opsec.

> Sure, scanners will keep pinging it, but nobody is ever going to burn an ssh 0day on your home server.

I wouldn't be so sure about it, considering the things I have seen.

I'd better be safe than sorry. You can expose your SSH if you prefer to do so. Just don't connect your server to my network.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by flohofwoe »

bit1993 wrote: post #119
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

Github became successful long before those 'social media features' were added, simply because it provided free hosting for open source projects (and free hosting services were still a rare thing back in the noughties).

The previous popular free code hoster was Sourceforge, which eventually entered its what's now called "enshittifcation phase". Github was simply in the right place at the right time to replace Sourceforge and the rest is history.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by gortok »

jack_pp wrote: post #194
testdelacc1 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

How you treat others says everything about you and nothing about the other person.

In this case, the unnecessary insults detract from the otherwise important message, and reflect poorly on Zig. They were right to edit it.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bramhaag »

dlisboa wrote: post #184
mittermayr wrote: post #110

Additional note on Codeberg, which I think is great as a project, but I got curious on what infrastructure they are running on and how reliable this would be for larger corporate repos. Nov 22, 2025 https://blog.codeberg.org/letter-from-codeberg-onwards-and-u... Quotes from their website: Infrastructure status [...] We are running on 3 servers, one Gigabyte and 2 Dell servers (R730 and R740). Here's their current har…

https://status.codeberg.eu/status/codeberg Their reliability is not great unfortunately. Currently their 24h uptime is 89% for the main site. They are partially degraded right now. The 14 day uptime is 98% but I think that’s actually because some of their auxiliary systems have great uptime, the main site is never that great it seems.

This isn't a great time for them: https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/115652289949965925

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46131693

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

to quote something I said a day ago about AI spotting in the posts of other people:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46114083

"I think that writing style is more LinkedIn than LLM, the style of people who might get slapped down if they wrote something individual.

Much of the world has agreed to sound like machines."

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