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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

“Would you like me to summarise this email?”

No. Go away.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

> It's not that people are unimpressed with AI Oh no, I am definitely unimpressed. That AI you can have a sorta-kinda fluent conversation with is often a complete moron and a habitual liar, and the images it generates are awful - did he not see how horrible that Coke ad looked? It'll probably end up useful in a bunch of applications soon-ish and I'll probably want to use it eventually, but in the meantime their AI is…

Last weekend, I decided to call these AI pushers out of touch, because no one outside their bubbles wants the world to be replaced by AI.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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The issue is that one could reasonably argue that about 95% of pop music is was already formulaic slop. Not just pejoratively, but much of it was even made by the same people. Everybody from Britney Spears to Taylor Swift and more modern acts are all being driven by one guy - 'Max Martin'. [1] Once you see the songs he's credited with, you instantly start to realize it's painfully formulaic, but most people are happy…

Max Martin is considered incredibly good at what he does. https://youtu.be/DxrwjJHXPlQ?si=m-A6M8xrad5MrQqZ&t=151 Adam Conover discussed ad bumpers from the 1990s and 2000s. These were legal requirements for children's programming from the FCC. They're a compliance item, yet they were incredibly well made and creative in in many cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vI0UcUxzrQ Because people at the top of their game…

Max Martin is a stand out talent.

You can take a thousand people and give them baseline technical skills for any medium. If you're lucky a few people out of your thousand will have a special kind of fluency that makes them stand out. from the rest.

Even more rarely you'll get someone who eats the technical skills alive and adds something original and unique which pushes them outside of the usual recycled tropes and cliches.

Martin is somewhere between those two. He's not a genius, but he's a rock solid pop writer, with a unique ear for hooks and drama, and stand-out arrangement skills.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

> It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. Does anyone here know what this arguing tactic is called? It's used by tech leadership all over the world, all the time. Weaponized obtuseness, maybe? The core of it is that you always have to pretend that everyone is basically on board with what you're doing,…

They used the exact same gaslighting tactic to push RTO.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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For me it’s the opposite. AI has enabled me to write songs and create pictures. I can’t draw but AI helped me to implement ideas I had.

AI is paying for talent, like soliciting a prostitute for sex. You get the same "thing", but in the end it's just a transaction.

In what way is this different from paying a designer or writer?

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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I experimented with some ai generated political spam on YouTube. The reality is a lot of people can’t tell the difference or don’t care. Given the demographic this site selects for, it’s easy to forget how many dumb people there are in the world.

Remember that even ELIZA fooled people. That doesn't make it useful, unless you think fooling people is itself a goal.

Unfortunately, there's whole industries built around fooling people. It seems to me that we select for people who are good at fooling people and they become wealthy and successful. What would be nice is if we could start selecting for knowledgeable, helpful and useful people instead where insane amounts of money might actually bring some benefit to humanity rather than being spent on plunging us into dystopia.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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I caught my mom watching a bunch of AI impersonations of musicians on Youtube singing slop that rarely rhymed or had any kind of message in the lyrics and with super formulaic arrangements. I asked her what she liked about them and it was like "they seem well made" and I showed her how easy Suno is to use and then showed her some of the bad missed rhymes and transcribed the lyrics to where she could see there wasn't…

The issue is that one could reasonably argue that about 95% of pop music is was already formulaic slop. Not just pejoratively, but much of it was even made by the same people. Everybody from Britney Spears to Taylor Swift and more modern acts are all being driven by one guy - 'Max Martin'. [1] Once you see the songs he's credited with, you instantly start to realize it's painfully formulaic, but most people are happy…

I much prefer the huge amount of music written/performed by Nile Rodgers instead.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

> It's not that people are unimpressed with AI Oh no, I am definitely unimpressed. That AI you can have a sorta-kinda fluent conversation with is often a complete moron and a habitual liar, and the images it generates are awful - did he not see how horrible that Coke ad looked? It'll probably end up useful in a bunch of applications soon-ish and I'll probably want to use it eventually, but in the meantime their AI is…

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if in a year or two we start seeing bans on AI because of the tactics of these corporations. And I mean full-on blunt instrument legal bans on any use or creation of the things. Nobody will care about the nuances of AI, and that the AIs nobody talk about is actually doing some neat things. The very things these corporations are doing with AI is, I suspect, ultimately going to doom it. Obviously that wouldn't be good, but if you abuse people enough, they eventually snap and go for the nuclear option.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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The fact the he doesn’t even understand the push back tells you everything. It’s not about customers. It’s about investors and promises. Promises that will fail because the most important of business is knowing what your customers want.

We have never asked for blind integration of AI into every aspect of our lives or work.

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