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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by danaris »

hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

Exactly. Even if we grant what he says (I don't fully agree)—that doesn't warrant putting that kind of "conversational engine" in Windows as a first-class citizen.

I don't want to have a conversation with my computer about my Word docs. I just want to write my Word docs.

I don't want to have a conversation with my computer about the quarterly report. I certainly don't want it making up values for the quarterly report. I just want to write the quarterly report.

Having a conversation with a computer is cool. It's a fun party trick. If there were a way to reliably get it to know about all of my things, without the concern that it would then take all that data and feed it to its mothership, I might want to be able to converse with it about those things, under certain circumstances.

But, yes: if I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it. Stop acting like me being upset that it's getting shoved in everywhere is the same as me saying "this is a meaningless achievement."

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by crote »

ckozlowski wrote: post #45

This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.

Don't forget the audience member who literally asked if it was a joke - and got cheers and applause from the rest of the audience. It was probably one of the biggest PR disasters in gaming history - and it does seem like the AI CEOs have been taking quite a bit of inspiration from it.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by estimator7292 »

kotaKat wrote: post #24

Oh, I’m a “cynic” because I’m upset at Microsoft continuing to violate my consent over and over again, huh. Wonder if he calls any of his rejected dates a “cynic” because they said no to him, too.

I'd bet good money that he thinks all his exes are "crazy"

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by CamperBob2 »

SailorJerry wrote: post #19
CamperBob2 wrote: post #6

"It must be the customers who are wrong," said no successful businessperson ever.

This made me think of Henry Ford's quote about people wanting a faster horse. Granted, he was an extreme outlier, which is why he's worth quoting

But when people told him his cars sucked and they wanted their horses back, he didn-

Wait, no, that never happened. People bought his cars voluntarily and came back for more. If Ford had stolen horses out of peoples' barns and left cars in their places, then said, "You just don't like change!" when they objected, that would be more like modern-day Windows.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by pessimizer »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #2

> it's hard to believe we're going to see a version of Windows that isn't bloated with AI functionality most people didn't ask for. All the leadership need to do is read these types of articles and they’ll see what’s going on outside the walls. One wonders how the internal incentives can be so wrong.

Because they're right. They'll all collude to make sure that you can't install a non-"smart" OS, just like you can't buy an non-"smart" tv, and the public will be well-trained to mumble something about the "market" and call you names ("luddite," "techie," "boomer," whatever...) when you complain about it.

Once a generation has been raised who never saw a computer that couldn't refuse to let you type what you wanted into it, young people will stop believing that you could ever type what you wanted. Old people will forget that you could ever type what you wanted. It worked with literally everything else.

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Post by crote »

hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

> It's not that people are unimpressed with AI

Oh no, I am definitely unimpressed. That AI you can have a sorta-kinda fluent conversation with is often a complete moron and a habitual liar, and the images it generates are awful - did he not see how horrible that Coke ad looked?

It'll probably end up useful in a bunch of applications soon-ish and I'll probably want to use it eventually, but in the meantime their AI is flooding the internet with absolute garbage, and they are literally shoving AI in my face at every opportunity they get.

It is painfully clear that people just aren't that interested, and they are getting increasingly desperate about finding ways to recoup their massive investments. But people aren't going to magically become enthusiastic about eating rotten garbage if you just keep stuffing it in their mouth!

If anything, their current approach is only going to make people hate AI even more. But they are in too deep, and admitting defeat and scaling it down until they have an actually good product that people genuinely want means seeing their stock price crater because they will have "lost" the "AI race". Their only option to avoid an immediate collapse is to keep lying through their teeth and keep trying to pretend that it is absolutely amazing and that you just must use it.

Or maybe the CEOs are completely delusional and genuinely believe what they are selling - I'm not sure which one is worse.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

"If I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on."

If I want MS Windows I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on

If this is not a statement you can make, then Redmond gets to decide what you use, not you

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by tim333 »

torben-friis wrote: post #3

I don’t know much about him, but I’m immediately put off by his post with obvious grammar errors. And I’m not even a native speaker!

I'm a Brit and the grammar seems ok to me. I would have put a comma after the jeez. Not sure about the content though.
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