Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

phoronix.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 359 posts

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#221

Post by GeekyBear »

fluoridation wrote: post #51
cmurf wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If UEFI Secure Boot is enabled, Fedora kernels detect this and lockdown. And hibernation is then disabled. The reason is lack of an autheticated hibernation image. This work has had several proposals but still isn't implemented. I'm not sure of the status on other distro kernels but allowing it would be a significant bypass of Secure Boot's purpose.

Can secure boot be disabled on Macs?

Macs allow the device owner to install an OS that isn't signed at all, without having it degrade the security of the system when you do boot into MacOS.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#222

Post by m463 »

mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

Most engineers/scientists/tech people will just have to understand at a fundamental level that they are just not the target market for apple.

That is the kind of thing that needs a strong vision from the top to provide.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#223

Post by jacquesm »

mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

My daily driver is a 2014 Thinkpad. The only mod compared to stock is that I maxed out the ram. It's been an absolutely amazing machine, especially given that it cost all of $200 second hand (W540). I find it really hard justifying buying hardware that doesn't allow me to do anything that I couldn't do before. Up to 2003 or so I was always chasing the latest and the greatest but now I find that I can do everything I need on this old beast.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#224

Post by jwar1767 »

bornfreddy wrote: post #138
notepad0x90 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think any other competitor makes hardware of a similar class in terms of quality. Framework is great, but it doesn't even come close in terms of quality. Specs are one thing, how the product looks, feels, attention to detail, and most importantly: long term viability! even if you take away everything else, macbooks are though. I've used a couple for over a decade with no hardware repair (except when I broke a…

What does it matter if hardware still works in 10 years if you can't upgrade software anymore, nor can you replace it with something you have control over (like Linux)? I still have a fully functioning iPhone 4s somewhere. I could still use it as a daily driver hardware-wise, but it is sadly deprecated (32-bit), so - no software support anymore.

I installed Linux Mint on a 2014 macbook pro for my wife and its still going strong.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#225

Post by morshu9001 »

philistine wrote: post #177
morshu9001 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even before the AS transition, GPUs were becoming more important and Mac OS GPU support was becoming even worse. At some point you were basically limited to a few AMD options. Very unattractive OS for a custom tower by then. Like I did put a Nvidia 650ti? in my Mac Pro, and it sorta worked initially under OSX, but way slower and glitchier than in Windows and eventually just fully incompatible.

Yeah, Nvidia was forsaken by Apple after a kerfuffle where Apple blamed Nvidia for problems and Nvidia didn’t want to take that blame. Only Nintendo and the OEM PC companies have been able to make an integration relationship work.

Well there's that (I think cause MBPs kept BBQing) and also Mac OS deprecating OpenGL and overall being different in ways that often prevent you from taking advantage of a dedicated GPU.

Which I'm fine with on my laptop or Mac mini, but if you're building a tower with a GPU, yeah

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#226

Post by viraptor »

Lerc wrote: post #38
bestouff wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have the same one, with Asahi. There were some problems which were never fixed (battery drain in sleep mode, no working Thunderbolt ...). Now job will give me a brand new one (I guess M4 or M5), I don't know how I'll do to run Linux on this. Either it'll be a VM or I'll use my own thinkpad. So sad.

How Linux-like can you make a Mac act without changing OS now? It's been a few years since I used a Mac regularly, but even back then you could go a fair way towards making it seem nice enough to use.

You can mostly do that, but: forget about system wide debugging, desktop shell changes, easy security sandboxes, being able to just run new AI software (they're often assuming cuda or CPU), building obscure software without patching makefiles. And the get the general feeling of "whatever I want to change, I'm fighting against the system".

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#227

Post by viraptor »

Difwif wrote: post #195
prmoustache wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.

Well you should tell that to Dell because I have coworkers with a range of their models that are constantly fighting with webcams, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and Nvidia driver updates.

If they're new models, the webcam issue is not Dell specific, but an Intel / ipu6 thing. It should be integrated into most systems by now though, even as an out of tree module. The rest should just work, especially on xps machines. Without specifying the models/issues, it's hard to take it as more than an anecdote.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#228

Post by galangalalgol »

prmoustache wrote: post #200
Difwif wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you should tell that to Dell because I have coworkers with a range of their models that are constantly fighting with webcams, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and Nvidia driver updates.

I am surprised. My former employer game me a Dell and the experience was quite smooth on Fedora.

They have a line they sell with linux pre installed. Those always work fine. It takes so e work to figure out which old ones on ebay were in that situation.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#229

Post by oblio »

m463 wrote: post #222
mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

Most engineers/scientists/tech people will just have to understand at a fundamental level that they are just not the target market for apple. That is the kind of thing that needs a strong vision from the top to provide.

The eternal optimism of the techie mind. I saw this coming when Asahi was launched.

What they did was impressive but nobody is superhuman and inherently Apple is all about control. Linux will always be - at best - a third rate citizen.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

#230

Post by oblio »

baby wrote: post #209
mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

Why is docker so bad on mac and why is apple not fixing that?

Because they don't care and don't have to care.
Post reply on HN