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Re: Apps SDK

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This conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future. If anything the agentic wave is showing that the chat interfaces are better off hidden behind stricter user interface paradigms.

> conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future Out of curiosity, why iff?

"iff" means "if and only if". It's common in mathematics.

Re: Apps SDK

#222

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> the tailored browsing methods already in place are the results of years of careful design and battle testing Have you ever worked in a corporation? Do you really think that Windows 8 UI was the fruit of years of careful design? What about Workday? > but it is bizarre that so many businesses seem to be discarding battle tested UXes for chatbots Not really. If the chatbot is smart enough then chatbot is the more natu…

> Of course the problem is that most chatbots aren't smart. But this is a purely technical problem that can be solved within foreseeable future. Ah yes, it's just a small detail. Don't worry about it.

I don't understand how come that a website for tech people turned into a boomerland of people who pride themselves in not using technology. It's like those people who refuse to use computers because they prefer doing everything the old-fashioned way and they insist on the society following them.

Re: Apps SDK

#223

This conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future. If anything the agentic wave is showing that the chat interfaces are better off hidden behind stricter user interface paradigms.

WeChat is the counterexample of your affirmation.

Re: Apps SDK

#224

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> the tailored browsing methods already in place are the results of years of careful design and battle testing Have you ever worked in a corporation? Do you really think that Windows 8 UI was the fruit of years of careful design? What about Workday? > but it is bizarre that so many businesses seem to be discarding battle tested UXes for chatbots Not really. If the chatbot is smart enough then chatbot is the more natu…

> I've seen people who prefer to say "hey siri set alarm clock for 10 AM" rather than use the UI. Which makes sense, because language is the way people literally have evolved specialized organs for. I don't think it's necessary to resort to evolutionary-biology explanations for that. When I use voice to set my alarm, it's usually because my phone isn't in my hand. Maybe it's across the room from me. And speaking to i…

Even when my phone is in my hand I'll use voice for a number of commands, because it's faster.

Re: Apps SDK

#225

This conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future. If anything the agentic wave is showing that the chat interfaces are better off hidden behind stricter user interface paradigms.

I suspect there are many, many things for which chat is a great interface. And by positioning ChatGPT as the distributor for all these things, they get to be the new Google. But you're also right that many domains for which a purpose-built interface is the right approach, and if the domain is valuable enough, it'll have someone coming after it to build that.

I knew it!

-diehard CLI user

Re: Apps SDK

#226

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It's funny, because the chat bot designers seem to be continually attempting to recreate the voice computer interface from Star Trek: TNG. Yet if you watch the show carefully, the vast majority of the work done by all the Enterprise crew is done via touchscreens, not voice. The only reason for the voice interface is to facilitate the production of a TV show. By having the characters speak their requests aloud to the…

It's actually hilarious to think of a scene where all the people on the bridge are shouting over each other trying to get the ship to do anything at all. Maybe this is how we all get our own offices again and the open floor plan dies.

Hmm. Maybe something useful will come of this after all!

"...and that is why we need the resources. Newline, end document. Hey, guys, I just got done with my 60 page report, and need-"

"SELECT ALL, DELETE, SAVE DOCUMENT, FLUSH UNDO, PURGE VERSION HISTORY, CLOSE WINDOW."

Here's hoping this at least gets us back to cubes.

Re: Apps SDK

#227

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It's funny, because the chat bot designers seem to be continually attempting to recreate the voice computer interface from Star Trek: TNG. Yet if you watch the show carefully, the vast majority of the work done by all the Enterprise crew is done via touchscreens, not voice. The only reason for the voice interface is to facilitate the production of a TV show. By having the characters speak their requests aloud to the…

It's actually hilarious to think of a scene where all the people on the bridge are shouting over each other trying to get the ship to do anything at all. Maybe this is how we all get our own offices again and the open floor plan dies.

Getting our own offices would simply take collective action, and we're far too smart to join a union, err, software developers association to do that.

Re: Apps SDK

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post #223

This conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future. If anything the agentic wave is showing that the chat interfaces are better off hidden behind stricter user interface paradigms.

WeChat is the counterexample of your affirmation.

Is wechat purely conservational, without visuals? I think not.

Re: Apps SDK

#229

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> If those features aren't supported by the widget's hard-coded schema, you're out of luck as a user. Chat paired to the pre-built and on-demand widgets address this limitation. For example, in the keynote demo, they showed how the chat interface lets you perform advanced filtering that pulls together information from multiple sources, like filtering only Zillow housers near a dog park.

Yes, because it seems that Zillow exposes those specific filters as a part of the input schema. As long as it's a part of the schema, then ChatGPT can generate a useful input to the widget. But my point is that is very brittle.

Isn't that as brittle as any system being constrained to providing only some type of outputs? Please elaborate.

Re: Apps SDK

#230

This conception makes sense iff you believe in ChatGPT as the universal user interface of the future. If anything the agentic wave is showing that the chat interfaces are better off hidden behind stricter user interface paradigms.

The apps can send any arbitrary HTML / interface back though. e.g. Coursera can send back a video player

This will be a bunch of rushed garbage. It will be like Java applets
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