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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by egorfine »

maz1b wrote: post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

> I like their products

I do, too. What I don't like is that they became too large and now are effectively in position to gatekeep the whole internet.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by nicoburns »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #138
drnick1 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run my own email server and you couldn't pay me to use a commercial provider like Google instead. The privacy benefits are huge and there is no one to restrict my storage or change my "terms and conditions" overnight. The days of people running their own servers are gone because of the shortsightedness and laziness of IT managers. They though the "cloud" would be easier and cheaper, and they are now trapped.

You don't have deliverability issues? I entertained the idea of running my own mail servers for a while. After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious. So it looks like we've gotta be well connected to federate with the other email servers now. A nobody like me can't just start up…

> After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious.

You have to buy/rent a dedicated IP address (that you'll be able to keep long term), and it warm it up by gradually increasing mail volume over a few months to weeks. But once you have, deliverability shoudl be fine.

I think the bigger issue is needing to keep on top of mainenance of the server.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sgt »

logicallee wrote: post #47
sgt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.

>This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues. when was the last time you got a reply to an email you sent?

All the time. I use it in production and I have many users.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sgt »

nicce wrote: post #74
sgt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.

Have you had static IP since then? A problem is that most new mail servers will have IP address with history.

The current static IP (it changed over the years) I got in 2016 or so.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sgt »

cj wrote: post #56
sgt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.

I suspect if you shared more info about your mail infrastructure, it might reveal that what is working for you is too complicated for 99.9% of people to set up and maintain themselves.

You're right, it used to be a bit complicated. Now you just need to have a reputable and clean IP address, and knowledge of running some services in docker and of course understanding DNS and its crucial role for running a mail server.

I used to run all the components and maintain it (even that wasn't bad), but I changed to mailu[1] about a year ago

[1] https://mailu.io

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by cr3ative »

keeda wrote: post #178

What are people's experiences using their current Email Routing service? Mine wasn't great -- right after I set it up I could not get a single test email through to my recipient account despite multiple attempts. No delivery failure emails or any responses at all. Nothing on their dashboards either. Searching their community threads turned up several other folks who had encountered similar silent failures that were n…

They enforced ARC without any notice which failed deliverability by about 50% for my catch-all address. I only noticed when someone told me they had emailed and it didn’t come through.

I just don’t trust them now. That was a huge misstep.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by joshcartme »

NoahZuniga wrote: post #199

> Imagine a user emails your support address. A Worker can receive the email, parse its content, call a third-party API to create a ticket, and then use the Email Sending binding to send an immediate confirmation back to the user with their ticket number. That’s the power of a unified Email Service. This is/was already possible. You can just reply to an email from an email worker.

I had the exact same thought. I guess now you could put something in a queue if you have to do non-trivial processing before replying, but that’s not what they wrote

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by drnick1 »

wwweston wrote: post #141
drnick1 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is quickly becoming a dystopian nightmare with age verification, mandated encryption backdoors, and generally an extremely invasive form of government. So no thanks.

No thanks to this level of evaluation which doesn’t even rise to “analysis”, it’s just a word salad association that picks two hobby horses and pretends they represent the apocalypse while ignoring all the measures on which many EU participating countries are producing quality of life and personal freedom at outlier levels.

What quality of life improvements? I seriously hope major tech companies pull out of the EU market altogether instead of complying when client-side scanning is mandated. Then you can come back here and brag about how great life is in the EU.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by t_mahmood »

stingraycharles wrote: post #68
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

We said the same thing with Google, "Don't be evil", "They are better than MS", now here we are, Google, became something that doing everything to squeeze every data off us, so that they can sell them to their partners.

And, anything that stops them from doing it, well, you are kind of erased from the Internet. The freedom we had, slowly becoming non-existent now.

Corporates have one and only one target. It is to make money. And this mentality, enables them.

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