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Post by brendoelfrendo »

rdtsc wrote: post #201
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the public interest requirement means. In fact, the FCC's own website says "the public interest is best served by permitting free expression of views."[0] And anyway, there are specific carve outs for late-night programming. [0] https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fcc-and-speech

However the same website they describes the exceptions and limits: https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... > Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if: > The station licensee knew that the information was false There quite a few other rules, obscenity and violence and such. But they probably got Jimmy on the crime that…

What hoax or false info? Also, Kimmel isn't a journalist or news reporter and his show isn't broadcast journalism. As far as obscenity rules, the rules don't necessarily apply between 10pm and 6am; "obscene" material is not allowed at any time of day, but "indecent" material is allowed on late-night television. These are terms that have specific meaning in the context of the law, and what Kimmel said would in no way rise to the level of obscene.

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

bluGill wrote: post #45
epistasis wrote: post #35

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The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license is a pretty good "excuse". There wasn't a public outcry, it was a government outcry along with threats along multiple lines of leverage.

I find it hard to take that threat seriously. There would be blood on the street - real blood - americans won't stand for it. (Some will of course but enough would not that the fcc would blink)

Americans are standing for it. There's a lot of "I'm a free speech absolutist, but..." coming out of the American right-wing right now.

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

stazz1 wrote: post #175
superultra wrote: post #160

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He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. > In between the finger pointing there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at…

It was a political assassination done by someone who vehemently disagreed with certain viewpoints. The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible.

> The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on.

I'm sorry, which details? Why does his opinion about a handful of topics mean that we can infer his entire worldview? Why do we have to assume that his views mapped neatly onto one end of the US political spectrum or the other?

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Post by slowmovintarget »

crtasm wrote: post #183
slowmovintarget wrote: post #169

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Well, the kid did turn out to have ties to a radical leftist organization. He spent an awful lot of time on Antifa discord servers and, according to his acquaintances and friends, had frequent arguments with his conservative parents over politics. You think they were arguing about who voted Republican harder?

The president and co making such claims based on little or no evidence doesn't become OK just because some is turned up later.

Early, and correct, claims were made based on the inscriptions found on the bullets and shell casings, IIRC.

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Post by flutas »

aaronharnly wrote: post #133
flutas wrote: post #86

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> fcc licensed stations Think your local K[3 letter] west of the Mississippi, W[3 letter] east of the Mississippi*. Not "Showtime" or "HBO" or "Cartoon Network" or "CNN" or "Fox News" or "MSNBC". That's why the affiliates started pulling it, because their license is what's on the line, not ABC/Disney directly. *: Except for KDKA, KYW, WFAA, WBAP, WOAI, WDAY, and WNAX.

Well, the subset of stations that pulled the show were the ones owned by a (right-wing) company, Nexstar, that has proposed a merger that is up for FCC review. It wasn’t fear of being punished for allowing a “falsehood” on the air, it was pursuit of favorable treatment from a political appointee.

Sinclair (38 stations) also pulled it and they own more than Nexstar (28 stations).

FWIW The Hollywood Reporter also is reporting that advertisers started threatening to pull their support as well[0] as several smaller stations.

> Meanwhile, the advertiser calls began to roll in and then the big affiliate conglomerates, Nexstar and Sinclair, threatened to preempt the show. The second source says that the blowback was snowballing enough that had ABC not acted, Kimmel’s show would have been dark in a large swath of the country, even beyond the Sinclair and Nexstar territories (including in the Washington, D.C., metro area).

[0]: https://archive.is/ADaHT

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Post by beej71 »

rdtsc wrote: post #171
OutOfHere wrote: post #44

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> The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license That's a clear violation of the First Amendment.

As it turns out the government can dictate how the broadcast frequencies are used, including dictate things about the content. The company could have switched to online only and continued the show. Heck, they should have called uncle sam's bluff maybe and see what happened. They are not sending Jimmy to gulag or arresting him. Jimmy can still continue his show just maybe on his own youtube channel or his own online p…

If that's the case, the next Democrat is definitely ending right wing talk radio.

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Post by rdtsc »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #218
rdtsc wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However the same website they describes the exceptions and limits: https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... > Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if: > The station licensee knew that the information was false There quite a few other rules, obscenity and violence and such. But they probably got Jimmy on the crime that…

Nothing he said was false though, the Republicans were trying to paint the shooter as anyone other than one of their own. It might be that he's actually a leftist, but Kimmel described Republican behavior and did not actually make any assertions of fact regarding the alleged shooter.

There was some initial social media reaction portraying this guy as some hard right fascist or whatever, as well. So it wasn't something just Kimmel had come up with. It could be that by the time the show started more evidence came out and he was looking more one way, and Jimmy just had stale info or his staffers were lazy and didn't update him.

> Nothing he said was false though, the Republicans were trying to paint the shooter as anyone other than one of their own.

Yeah, and the show owners could have fought it. There might be a warning, a lawsuit, maybe a period to comply and make changes etc. But they folded immediately. They probably figured technically they could have explained it, but the PR aspect of it was a losing battle. Here is another part of the country flying flags half staff, and what is ABC's doing? Oh right, explaining away Kimmel's news and jokes and defending him. A lot of these corporations and their leaders can smell the way the wind blows and they really hate it when the wind blows away their profits, so they just react accordingly.

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Post by gamblor956 »

Aeolun wrote: post #10

What about what he said was so controversial? It seems entirely in line with everything else I’ve seen happen on these kinds of shows.

The owner of the Sinclair Broadcasting group (the company that owns the ABC stations that started this) is a far-right ideologue that has been trying to drag ABC into News Nation territory for the past decade or so.

Nothing Kimmel said was controversial. It was just being used as a false flag to justify other things.

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Post by rdtsc »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #221
rdtsc wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However the same website they describes the exceptions and limits: https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... > Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if: > The station licensee knew that the information was false There quite a few other rules, obscenity and violence and such. But they probably got Jimmy on the crime that…

What hoax or false info? Also, Kimmel isn't a journalist or news reporter and his show isn't broadcast journalism. As far as obscenity rules, the rules don't necessarily apply between 10pm and 6am; "obscene" material is not allowed at any time of day, but "indecent" material is allowed on late-night television. These are terms that have specific meaning in the context of the law, and what Kimmel said would in no way…

So why did the network fold so quickly? It's a simple enough explanation "we not journalists, these are all made up jokes and parodies, we send our condolences to the family ... etc".

They folded because they knew how the statement was perceived. Here is half the country flying flags half staff and ABC owners are defending Kimmel. They are worried about views and profits and when that is threatened everything goes out of the window.

Paradoxically, I think Kimmel is all of the sudden on top again, just due to the controversy. The younger crowd who don't sit and watch ABC, might have just learned about this Kimmel guy the first time. May be another network will pick him up, it could be a win for him overall.

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Post by rdtsc »

beej71 wrote: post #226
rdtsc wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it turns out the government can dictate how the broadcast frequencies are used, including dictate things about the content. The company could have switched to online only and continued the show. Heck, they should have called uncle sam's bluff maybe and see what happened. They are not sending Jimmy to gulag or arresting him. Jimmy can still continue his show just maybe on his own youtube channel or his own online p…

If that's the case, the next Democrat is definitely ending right wing talk radio.

Yeah that is definitely on the table, we'll see what happens.

Here, interestingly, just a threat was enough. I wonder why the owners didn't want to fight it at all? The speed with with they folded was very telling. As others mentioned, I suspect if they decided they just didn't want to keep paying Kimmel for the show. He was making somewhere around $15m/year or something they saw a chance to say "goodbye".

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