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Re: Eleven Music

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>music becoming superficial and lacking intentionality, or dare I say it, soul. This phrase though could be plunked down at any point in the last hundred years and you'd find someone making it. About autotune or electric guitars or rock or jazz or punk or disco or Philp Glass or Stravinsky... one could go on for a long time.

You’ll always have naysayers, but I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t understand or share the appeal of rock or jazz or an artist like Philip Glass where music is made by someone choosing what notes to play, what rhythms, what words and the music that comes out of a statistical model. You can’t tell me that Philip Glass didn’t understand or agonize over the music when creating it. The creative pr…

I definitely meant John Cage instead of Philip Glass, for some reason those two share the same headspace if I'm not thinking carefully.

I don't think John Cage agonized over 4'33" (I was thinking about making this an elaborate joke, but I haven't the energy. That piece is 4 minutes 33 seconds of silence. It has been performed in public to sophisticated audiences)

When Stravinsky's Rites of Spring was first performed publicly it nearly caused a riot. There were arrests. It deeply upset people and was accused of not being music.

Penderecki likewise composed much that was aggressively argued was not real music and is featured in several prominent Horror/Thriller kinds of films, Radiohead's Johnny Greenwood was heavily influenced for the score of There Will be Blood (listen and tell me if the sounds are just orchestra noise or real music.

Rock music and Jazz music got heavy, heavy pushback from people that this was just not real music and was garbage noise.

Your response fits the common pattern "I know people have said the same things in the past and were wrong but THIS TIME the same argument is correct"

>mindless button clicking

Sounds like all electronic music since its inception :)

Point is, there has always been garbage music and there have always been people criticizing the new thing as the demise of real art. Yawn.

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Still makes me want to give up. I just started learning keyboard and playing with synthesizers in the last 6 months or so with the intention of making game music and it's tough to not feel like I'm wasting my time. Game devs will go with what they can afford and who can blame them? The output is not perfect, but if the GenAI can do this now, what will it sound like a year from now? Two? Really takes the wind out of t…

Human art will become bolder, more dynamic, and a lot more weird to keep ahead of the GenAI digestive tract. Forever avant garde. I'm actually a little excited to see what happens.

Same. All this AI art slop has made me get back into making art. I get that trying to copy others is a good way to learn, but what motivates me now is creating something that feels original and unique. Something that an AI would never try to create because it has no knowledge of its existence. You can create your own genre and aesthetic. There isn't a standard way of making art.

Re: Eleven Music

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I really hope we move on from these boil-the-ocean models. I want something more collaborative and even iterative. I was having a conversation with a former bandmate. He was talking about a bunch of songs he is working on. He can play guitar, a bit of bass and can sing. That leaves drums. He wants a model where he can upload a demo and it either returns a stem for a drum track or just combines his demo with some drum…

do you have a point of view of this type of collaborative approach applied to other areas, for example, collective understanding for groups of people? We are working on something in that space.

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Still makes me want to give up. I just started learning keyboard and playing with synthesizers in the last 6 months or so with the intention of making game music and it's tough to not feel like I'm wasting my time. Game devs will go with what they can afford and who can blame them? The output is not perfect, but if the GenAI can do this now, what will it sound like a year from now? Two? Really takes the wind out of t…

Human art will become bolder, more dynamic, and a lot more weird to keep ahead of the GenAI digestive tract. Forever avant garde. I'm actually a little excited to see what happens.

And its professional market will be smaller. Everybody's an artist now.

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It doesn't work like that, art is a package. At this point it's interesting that AI can do these things but the momen it wears off it stops being worthwhile. Artist + AI as a tool is working fine I believe but stuff produced by people who don't have taste shows.

Well, that kind of bolsters my point though: if it sucks, hate it. Why invest so much energy and angst into whether it is AI or human?

Because trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.

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Lifeless music? Made of chunks of someone else's music, stitched together and polished to hide the sews. I think this is what gives all AI slop such an uncanny vibe.

Soylent Green is made of people!

Re: Eleven Music

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I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Does it sound like something a human could play? You're not attacking how it sounds but what it's playing.

Would it be physically possible to play? Yeah, probably. But it sounds terrible, and if I heard a band do it live, I would genuinely consider walking out of the venue.

Re: Eleven Music

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I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

This comment inspired me to click the link and listen to the song. Wow, that was terrible. It's like it had all the individual components of a fast-paced blues/rock song, but they were put together by someone who had no idea of how music actually worked.

And those guitar solos were terrible.

Re: Eleven Music

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Well, that kind of bolsters my point though: if it sucks, hate it. Why invest so much energy and angst into whether it is AI or human?

Because trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.

I was making the opposite point — if you hate it, you hate it — regardless of whether it is AI or not.

You're having a problem with liking it only to find out later it is AI?

Again, live music is the way to go then. Also, artists I like the most have a body of work that I like. If AI can fake that — create a body of work I like, cam relate to ... well, I guess I have to give credit to the machine.

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