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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by kkukshtel »

modeless wrote: post #13

Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

I similarly am surprised at how fast they are progressing. I wrote this piece a few months ago about how I think steering world model output is the next realm of AAA gaming:

https://kylekukshtel.com/diffusion-aaa-gamedev-doom-minecraf...

But even when I wrote that I thought things were still a few years out. I facetiously said that Rockstar would be nerd-sniped on GTA6 by a world model, which sounded crazy a few months ago. But seeing the progress already made since GameNGen and knowing GTA6 is still a year away... maybe it will actually happen.

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Post by bakuninsbart »

ducktective wrote: post #92
silveraxe93 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lemme start by saying this is objectively amazing. But I just really wouldn't call it a breakthrough. We had one breakthrough a couple of years ago with GPT-3, where we found that neural networks / transformers + scale does wonders. Everything else has been a smooth continuous improvement. Compare today's announcement to Genie-2[1] release less than 1 year ago. The speed is insane, but not surprising if you put in co…

Wasn't the model winning gold in IMO result of a breakthrough? I doubt an stochastic parrot can solve math at IMO level...

Why wouldn't it? I still have to hear one convincing argument how our brain isn't working as a function of probable next best actions. When you look at amoebas work, and animals that are somewhere between them and us in intelligence, and then us, it is a very similar kind of progression we see with current LLMs, from almost no state of the world, to a pretty solid one.

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Post by remir »

brotchie wrote: post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

That's pretty much the basis for the simulation theory. See also "My Big TOE" (Theory of Everything) from Tom Campbell.

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Post by lbrito »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

>And how you are supposed to pay for that, if all work is automated? How economics of that is supposed to work?

With UBI, probably. With a central government formed by our robot overlords. But why even pay us at that point?

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Post by curious_cat_163 »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

> So what is final state here for us? Return to menial not-yet-automated work? And when this would be eventually automated, what's left? Plug our brains to personalized autogenerated worlds that are tailored to trigger related neuronal circuitry for producing ever increasing dopamine levels and finally burn our brains out (which is arguably already happening with tiktok-style leasure)? And how you are supposed to pay for that, if all work is automated? How economics of that is supposed to work?

Wow. What a picture! Here's an optimistic take, fwiw: Whenever we have had a paradigm shift in our ability to process information, we have grappled with it by shifting to higher-level tasks.

We tend to "invent" new work as we grapple with the technology. The job of a UX designer did not exist in 1970s (at least not as a separate category employing 1000s of people; now I want to be careful this is HN, so there might be someone on here who was doing that in the 70s!).

And there is capitalism -- if everyone has access to the best-in-class model, then no one has true edge in a competition. That is not a state that capitalism likes. The economics _will_ ultimately kick in. We just need this recent S-curve to settle for a bit.

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

dingnuts wrote: post #148
neom wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm invested in a startup that is doing something unrelated robotics, but they're spending a lot of time in Shenzhen, I keep a very close eye on robotics and was talking to their CTO about what he is seeing in China, versions of this are already being implemented.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by lukeahn »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #189
dingnuts wrote: post #148

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This is so standard it's part of the tutorials now https://developer.nvidia.com/isaac/gr00t

Gr00t works but it is not a standard yet. Can't share what I have heard, but the success rate is still far behind than other methods.

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Post by Mouvelie »

tkgally wrote: post #12
93po wrote: post #2

I wouldn't want to be a hollywood production studio or game developer right now.

Same here. Though if I were a 17-year-old film fan or gamer with an imaginative drive, I would be really excited about the powerful creative tools that might become available to me soon.

I don't know if you had the teenage years I had, but there would be A LOT of NSFW content made on that thing.
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