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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

morkalork wrote: post #167
detourdog wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I combed that story over and couldn't find out if it was true. Did it fail because 4 is biffer than 3?

Huh, yeah the article just kind of... ends. Strange. The fiasco has a wiki article so make of that what you will: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-pound_burger >This misunderstanding stemmed from consumers focusing on the numbers "3" and "4," leading them to conclude that one-third (1/3) was smaller than one-fourth (1/4), even though the opposite is true I wonder if there's a correlation between those consumers…

The CBC article is also great. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/undertheinfluence/how-failing-at-fr...

> More than half the people in the focus groups questioned the price of the third-pounder. They wanted to know why they should have to pay the same price for a third of a pound as they did for a quarter pound at McDonald's. They said A&W was overcharging them.

It really makes you think.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by acdha »

lmm wrote: post #220
acdha wrote: post #215

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> Deprioritising lawlessness against the will of the electorate is bad enough You’re arguing that your personal opinion is “the will of the electorate”. The policies directing local police to focus on crime affecting their communities instead of shadowing federal immigration enforcement weren’t imposed by an aliens, they were enacted by democratically elected representatives. California’s sanctuary laws are the subje…

> weren’t imposed by an aliens, they were enacted by democratically elected representatives Elected at the state level, sure. But it was against the will of the national electorate and they knew it. Democracy means going along with popular decisions even if you disagree, not finding tricks to undermine what was nationally agreed because your corner of the country doesn't like it. > the kind of people most of the elec…

> Elected at the state level, sure. But it was against the will of the national electorate and they knew it.

Surveys have shown for many years that most people nationwide want a legal path to immigration for law-abiding workers. Sanctuary laws exist solely because a minority of the population has been able to game the Congressional structure to prevent immigration reform while also shielding the businesses which depend on cheap, exploitable workers from punishment.

I suspect that you would complain strenuously if the United States changed from a republic to the direct democracy you are arguing for in this case, or many others where unpopular policies are maintained due to the odd structure of our government.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by sigmar »

lmm wrote: post #220
acdha wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Deprioritising lawlessness against the will of the electorate is bad enough You’re arguing that your personal opinion is “the will of the electorate”. The policies directing local police to focus on crime affecting their communities instead of shadowing federal immigration enforcement weren’t imposed by an aliens, they were enacted by democratically elected representatives. California’s sanctuary laws are the subje…

> weren’t imposed by an aliens, they were enacted by democratically elected representatives Elected at the state level, sure. But it was against the will of the national electorate and they knew it. Democracy means going along with popular decisions even if you disagree, not finding tricks to undermine what was nationally agreed because your corner of the country doesn't like it. > the kind of people most of the elec…

As the other comment stated- You're saying that _your opinion_ was "what was nationally agreed" to. Trump has at many points stated illegals (daca recipients) should have a path to citizenship, do you think some trump voters might have believed trump when he said that and voted for that position?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by jgalt212 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #160
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #19

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> we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials.

I suspect ICE just helped elect Brad Lander.

He's still a 99:1 bet. Get in now, if you feel that way.

https://polymarket.com/event/who-will-win-dem-nomination-for...

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Post by lmm »

NemoNobody wrote: post #180
lmm wrote: post #133

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Most democratic countries don't have decades of regular law enforcement refusing to enforce democratically agreed immigration law, which is what has made this defensible.

You are only fine if everyone is fine. If it can happen to a brown person, it can happen to you - maybe have a little self interest, or perhaps consider how boring America would be without immigrants and black people - that's kinda where all our culture comes from, in our melting pot everything blends together.

Nice try. I'm an immigrant and a minority myself, not that people like you ever actually care about supporting people like me.

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Post by NemoNobody »

nemomarx wrote: post #14
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

Call your elected representatives. Attend a protest. Make noise. Above all else, protect your family, friends, and neighbors. We do not have to sit back and let this happen.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

People power - that was an excellent display of it this last weekend. BLM, Civil Rights Movement, and Vietnam are the only ones comparable. All of those built up - Vietnam was bc it was the first time people could see war like that, and we were sending lottery drafted 18 year olds - those very big deals.

This is solely in response to what has happened since January 21st of this year.

That's incredible actually. Concerning for sure if you planned on people being sheep.

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Post by snypher »

ensignavenger wrote: post #185
kevingadd wrote: post #172

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If a bunch of armed thugs who aren't wearing uniforms or badges show up and abduct someone, citizens don't have the right or obligation to do something about it? Just stand back and watch? That's the world you want to live in, one where kidnappings are normal?

They were wearing uniforms, I watched the video. Badges were not clearly visible in the video, but they certainly had uniforms.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/17/nyregion/brad-lander-immi...

No-one in the banner image of this article has a uniform? Is it too much to ask to be uniformed while acting in this capacity? There doesn't seem to be a need for subterfuge, they just don't want the bad optics.

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Post by NemoNobody »

ethbr1 wrote: post #201
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #157

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And yet they hold every single branch of government.

The chance to fix that is in 2026 at the ballot, and preparation every day until then. The whole "there won't be elections" hysteria is exactly because the current MAGA movement is scared shitless of being rejected again. Furthermore, if Trump-y candidates do poorly in 2026, he'll be a lame duck president with little political clout for his final 2 years. Politicians are many things, but charitable to unpopular peopl…

Well said - this is exactly what we have to do. The Blue Wave is coming - every state.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by lmm »

acdha wrote: post #222
lmm wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> weren’t imposed by an aliens, they were enacted by democratically elected representatives Elected at the state level, sure. But it was against the will of the national electorate and they knew it. Democracy means going along with popular decisions even if you disagree, not finding tricks to undermine what was nationally agreed because your corner of the country doesn't like it. > the kind of people most of the elec…

> Elected at the state level, sure. But it was against the will of the national electorate and they knew it. Surveys have shown for many years that most people nationwide want a legal path to immigration for law-abiding workers. Sanctuary laws exist solely because a minority of the population has been able to game the Congressional structure to prevent immigration reform while also shielding the businesses which depe…

> Surveys have shown for many years that most people nationwide want a legal path to immigration for law-abiding workers.

A path, perhaps. Not carte blanche.

> Sanctuary laws exist solely because a minority of the population has been able to game the Congressional structure to prevent immigration reform while also shielding the businesses which depend on cheap, exploitable workers from punishment.

Nah. That's at most a convenient fig-leaf for their motivations.

> I suspect that you would complain strenuously if the United States changed from a republic to the direct democracy you are arguing for in this case, or many others where unpopular policies are maintained due to the odd structure of our government.

You suspect wrong. And I'm not saying there's no case where the government should decide they know better than the people, but when they oppose the will of the people they should do it openly and directly, not with procedural rules-lawyering and disingenuous "tee-hee we're not actually opposing the law we're just prioritising other laws" arguments.

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Post by NemoNobody »

nemomarx wrote: post #48
haswell wrote: post #26

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The scale of the protests means the protests are already working. They’re as much about spreading awareness and mobilizing the voting public as they are about current events. I don’t see a connection between their efficacy and what happened in Minnesota, which was an event that is arguably all the more reason to protest.

Good strategy if voting is still allowed in 2028, not super useful if political violence bubbles over into a coup or such. The scale of the protests is encouraging, but I remember the mass protests under Bush were about as large, and the war continued and he stayed in power. Organization needs to do something with the mass of people who are out in the streets to direct them.

Why did you pick Marx?

Rhetoric doesn't match. Marx literally said that the only for the working class to overthrow their oppressors (business owners) was to make them not a live.

He was very radical.

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