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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by geoka9 »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #162
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

> People will remember Bowie for his words longer than they will remember him for his music

I know nothing of his quotes, but there're a few of his songs I will remember for the rest of my life (and I'm not even a big fan).

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Post by XenophileJKO »

concats wrote: post #219

Trying to look at the bigger picture for a moment. A lot of the philosophical debate about art I see here, and elsewhere on social media, is often very shallow and can be reduced to: Does one believe that the value of the art-piece (be is music, paintings, film, or whatever) is created in the mind of the artist, or is it created in the mind of the consumer? If you believe only in the former, AI art is an oxymoron and…

You are on to the key insight here.. what is emerging is the creative consumer. I.e. I know what I want when I hear it. Or I know what I want when I see it.

This means you can hear something and say.. you know this is nice, but I would like it more if it were different in this way.

With generative tools you can do that. Personally I really like to listen to music, but I generally dislike the lyrics. I want uplifting songs, maybe about what I am doing right now to motivate me. Well with something like Suno.com.. I can just make one. Or I can work with claude or chatgpt to quickly iterate on some lyrics and edit them to create an even higher fidelity song.

The key here is that I can give a rat's ass if anyone in the world likes or cares about my song.. but I can listen to it while I work. It is exactly what I wanted to listen to or close enough.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by macleginn »

qnleigh wrote: post #160

I'm very happy to see that they're prioritizing making tools for musicians, rather than making AI music generators to replace musicians. Everything else I've come across so far was trying to do the latter.

The end effect will be the same, I'm afraid: one "AI composer" in a TV studio or a marketing shop will be able to create most of the needed music on demand, removing the need to record and mix new tracks and putting a lot of musicians out of business.

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Post by Aldipower »

concats wrote: post #219

Trying to look at the bigger picture for a moment. A lot of the philosophical debate about art I see here, and elsewhere on social media, is often very shallow and can be reduced to: Does one believe that the value of the art-piece (be is music, paintings, film, or whatever) is created in the mind of the artist, or is it created in the mind of the consumer? If you believe only in the former, AI art is an oxymoron and…

Art is always some form of human interaction. When we talk about AI music, I think we do not talk about art anymore, so this isn't human interaction as this isn't art too. The creation of the AI itself, could be considered as art, but not the outcome of the AI. We have to be careful in our discussions not to mix the things up. A lot of confusion happens in recent discussion.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

ipnon wrote: post #8
modeless wrote: post #5

Music models are not interesting to me unless I can use them to edit and remix existing music. Of course none of them let you do that to avoid being sued by the labels.

Yes, why are deep learning models so effective relatively at writing code? It's because programmers have been making their work copyleft for decades, and continue to do so.

Musics only lagging because of the legal threat of labels, at some point in the near future music models will have their SDXL moment and from then on you'll be able to do all things like style transfer or make something very similar to this but different.

Suno and similar are purposefully limiting their models on the public side.

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

rixed wrote: post #40
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #23

I've made a few tracks using Suno to scratch my own itch / desire for music that covers certain themes. The best use of Suno for has been the ease with which you can generate diss tracks: I ask Gemini to make a diss track lyrics related to specific topics, and then I have Suno generate the actual track. It's very cathartic when you're sitting at home in the dark because the power company continues to fail. Anyway, I…

> cathartic when you're sitting at home in the dark because the power company continues to fail Ironical remark about the power drawn by IA assisted creation left to the reader.

The power grid in my country has been failing and unstable long before GenAI became a thing. We also don't have any AI data centers here that would be taxing said grid. But sure, enjoy making your glib drive by snarky comment.

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Post by XenophileJKO »

tgv wrote: post #210
berkut wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People also said similar things in the past (I'm a musician as well: guitar, piano and bass) about Synths and Drum machines (and things like GarageBand which can do backing drums and even basslines semi-automatically now). Some of those things enabled others to create new types of music or express themselves in different ways.

People have said that about robots and computers in the workplace, and indeed, since the 60s, more and more jobs have been automated. And there are less musicians now. Film scores and albums are produced with samples instead of bands or orchestras, reducing demand for session players, leading to less income for musicians, leading to less musicians. And while automating dangerous jobs is a good thing, generating AI mu…

I mean you say that.. but the counter point.. is maybe I don't like your lyrics and I want to make my own.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

jsphweid wrote: post #150
MantisShrimp90 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I guess In this obtuse, maybe someone's joy In life is doing dishes and that is their art, then idk maybe but not even then. First, this just misunderstands what is being said here. For most people, chores like the dishes is a menial task that we will be happy for any reduction in time/effort. In addition, dishes and laundry are considered necessary for modern life. By contrast, art like music and visual mediu…

A nice thing about doing dishes over creating art is that it's something you can work hard in and get a predictable amount of work done which is gratifying. Meanwhile you can stare at a blank sheet of staff paper in frustration for an hour not knowing the best way to evolve your music composition and it's a really bad experience. That's my experience often. Personally, it's not too difficult for me to invert it / hum…

I love your perspective here. I don't agree with all of it, but it really made me think.

I do a lot of photography as a semi-amateur hobby (semi because I occasionally get paid but my goal is not to be a professional.) Often when I'm going out shooting in a city, thousands, maybe even millions have observed the same sight I'm seeing. I'm not snapping the first picture of the Hindenburg or the unveiling of the Empire State Building. But it's my unique perspective that makes my art. People like and recognize my pictures because of my personal composition. In general I think most portrait and street photographers have come to terms with this, and an increasing number of landscape and event photographers in the age of smartphones.

With art there's no "right answer", it's the soul found within the work.

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Post by codetrotter »

cousin_it wrote: post #213
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left Until someone makes an AI guitar pedal that corrects sloppy playing.

Is there any big difference between using that and instead doing playback lip syncing and fake playing the guitar, like already happens sometimes at concerts?

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Post by TiredOfLife »

nurettin wrote: post #29
senko wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect :) Try doing it without the machine, see if you can spot the difference.

Still a chore with the machine. It is implied that AI will take over the machines, collect your socks and shirts from around the house, put them in the machine, dry them out, iron them and put them back in the drawer in an energy efficient and hygienic way while you are happily painting.

Get a clothes dryer.
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