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Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by int_19h »

rvz wrote: post #63
vouaobrasil wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I believe AI is detrimental. It makes us go too fast. It's all about production now, pure efficiency over individuals. 2. AI is too dangerous. Whatever innovations used for benign applications will be eventually used for more dangerous applications such as advanced genetic engineering and the military. 3. AI uses too much energy. It's disrespectful to the resources that we have. 4. AI is an apex technology amongst…

All of the above. It is even worse than crypto. The AI proponents that support this have no serious solution to the mass displacement of jobs thanks to AI. They actually don't mention any alternative solutions and instead scream about nonsense such as UBI which has never worked at a large sustainable scale. > Society needs to slow down and find alternative, more sustainable solutions. AI is aligned with short-term ec…

If robots do all the work (which is ultimately what all the lost jobs are about), why would UBI be unsustainable at scale?

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by bastardoperator »

hipadev23 wrote: post #18
asdev wrote: post #5

I ditched Copilot for Cursor and never looked back. Cursor might be the only other AI product with product market fit than ChatGPT, it's that good

Yeah I'm happy to check it out, Cursor isn't perfect, but at least it feels like it was created by people who code for a living versus people tasked to inject a LLM into an IDE.

Isn't cursor a fork of vscode?

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by nailer »

asdev wrote: post #5

I ditched Copilot for Cursor and never looked back. Cursor might be the only other AI product with product market fit than ChatGPT, it's that good

Try Microsoft Copilot on iPhone/ Android (not GitHub Copilot, this is a general AI product that is not for coders).

Getting answers (with references) to questions *destroys* using Google.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by codebje »

w_for_wumbo wrote: post #201
bionhoward wrote: post #183

Microsoft would need to pay me to use Copilot. Seems like a major scam for them to learn from our code and then tell us we can’t use it to make our own competing AI systems. “Limits on use of data from the AI Services. You may not use the AI services, or data from the AI services, to create, train, or improve (directly or indirectly) any other AI service.” From https://www.microsoft.com/en/servicesagreement#13r_AISer…

"You may not use the AI services, or data from the AI services, to create, train, or improve (directly or indirectly) any other AI service" - It's not like anyone chose to indirectly train these existing systems - this means that anything published online that could be scraped and used to train something is not allowed right?

It wouldn't be an online service's T&C document if it didn't include at least one vague, threatening, unworkable, and unenforceable condition.

The useless but true answer is nobody knows what's allowed and what isn't, until it's tested in court. Practically (not being a lawyer, though) I suspect that the clause will never be pursued on its own, because it's bullshit and everyone involved knows it is so.

In your scenario, though, assuming you publish in a way that's not overtly and primarily meant for AI training, I think the "use" of data isn't yours and would be hard to argue as violating the terms of the agreement.

Of course we might take it to the absurd end of this line of reasoning and demand that any code base that Copilot was involved in should have a license term preventing the training of any other AI in it, and we wind up in a place where all AIs are trained on source material they're explicitly licensed not to be trained on, or trained only on a mostly static set of "pre-AI" publications.

Daft stuff.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by SkyPuncher »

bogwog wrote: post #187
SkyPuncher wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jetbrains is still the leader in all of the small details that make navigating and working a code base easy. Copy and paste workflow is a minor slowdown, but nothing compared to things like smart links in terminal, auto detection of run configurations, etc, etc.

Can you give some examples? I spend the majority of my time reading code nowadays, and I often have like 8 or more Sublime Text windows open (each open on a separate codebase). I cant imagine how much RAM it would take to do that in CLion or Visual Studio. Sublime Text's text search is the killer feature for me. CTRL+SHIFT+F and I can search a million LOC+ codebase instantly, navigate the results with CTRL+R, do a su…

It’s a lot of small things, so here are some examples:

* Click to find usage is exceptionally good.

* when refactoring, it will also find associated files/classes/models and ask you want to change them as well. It’s also smart enough to avoid refactoring things like database migrations

* Click-run just about anything is amazing. I work in multiple languages in multiple code bases. I get tired of figuring out how to install packages, run things, and even get into debug mode. Most major tooling is supported out of the box.

* Debugging. Lots of data types have smart introspection when debugging. It knows that Pandas tables should be opened in a spreadsheet, JSON should be automatically formatted, and you really just want that one property in a class already formatted as a string.

* Built in profilers and code coverage. This is something that’s always annoying to switch tooling with.

* Great Git integration, though that’s probably par for the course.

* Database integration in some toolsets (like Rails). If you need to look at records in the database, it will jump you directly to the table you need with Excel-style filters

* Local history on just about everything. This has saved my butt so many times. You can delete an entire folder and know you can restore it, even if you delete it from Git.

* Automatic dependency change detection. For example, after a pull, it will identify if new or updated updated dependencies were pulled. 1-click to install.

* Type hinting in in-type languages

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by sexy_seedbox »

TonyTrapp wrote: post #163

They appear to be SO excited about their new feature that they sent an email about it to every single email address associated with my Github accounts. Which is quite a few addresses that have been used for git commits over the years.

But are you Stack Overflow excited?!

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by nozzlegear »

throwaway888abc wrote: post #213
bionhoward wrote: post #183

Microsoft would need to pay me to use Copilot. Seems like a major scam for them to learn from our code and then tell us we can’t use it to make our own competing AI systems. “Limits on use of data from the AI Services. You may not use the AI services, or data from the AI services, to create, train, or improve (directly or indirectly) any other AI service.” From https://www.microsoft.com/en/servicesagreement#13r_AISer…

psssst *it's a secret If You're Not Paying For It, You Become The Product (2012) https://www.forbes.com/sites/marketshare/2012/03/05/if-youre...

I've been paying for GitHub for years and years, long before they introduced any kind of AI service. I don't use any of their AI products, even though they're now included with my plan. Hopefully that small datapoint shows up as a blip in their metrics somewhere.

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by dingnuts »

scosman wrote: post #215
thot_experiment wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the second person in this thread to make this point, what are you using it for? I find the difference is basically negligible (in the sense that both get the busywork right and both fail at anything complicated)

yeah, Sonnet goes past that. 300+ line changes in 20 seconds. You have to review it, but generally it's right. It's infinitely faster than the time to look at docs and do it myself. Sure it's busywork. But it's a lot of busywork very fast.

I gotta find a new trade
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