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Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by evrenesat »

JadoJodo wrote: post #35
asdev wrote: post #5

I ditched Copilot for Cursor and never looked back. Cursor might be the only other AI product with product market fit than ChatGPT, it's that good

Has anyone who uses an IDE (e.g., JetBrains, not a code editor) moved to Cursor? I've downloaded it a few times because everyone raves about it, but I've always come back almost immediately because editors can't reliably make changes across projects (among many other things)... What am I missing? FWIW I use GoLand w/ Supermaven, currently.

I've been a PyCharm user for over a decade, but recently decided to experiment with VS Code-like editors again. I subscribed to Windsurf pro tier, and while it's quite lacking as a traditional IDE, its AI capabilities are incredible. I'm now considering not renewing my PyCharm license next year. Until (if ever) I fully adapt to Windsurf, I'm planning to use both tools together - PyCharm for the features I'm most comfortable with (where I also use "CodeGPT.ee" plugin), and Windsurf for its AI strengths.

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Post by int_19h »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #194
asdev wrote: post #5

I ditched Copilot for Cursor and never looked back. Cursor might be the only other AI product with product market fit than ChatGPT, it's that good

What's currently the best local model one can run? Codestral?

Qwen2.5-Coder.

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Post by throwaway888abc »

bionhoward wrote: post #183

Microsoft would need to pay me to use Copilot. Seems like a major scam for them to learn from our code and then tell us we can’t use it to make our own competing AI systems. “Limits on use of data from the AI Services. You may not use the AI services, or data from the AI services, to create, train, or improve (directly or indirectly) any other AI service.” From https://www.microsoft.com/en/servicesagreement#13r_AISer…

psssst *it's a secret

If You're Not Paying For It, You Become The Product (2012) https://www.forbes.com/sites/marketshare/2012/03/05/if-youre...

Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by mattmanser »

bogwog wrote: post #187
SkyPuncher wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jetbrains is still the leader in all of the small details that make navigating and working a code base easy. Copy and paste workflow is a minor slowdown, but nothing compared to things like smart links in terminal, auto detection of run configurations, etc, etc.

Can you give some examples? I spend the majority of my time reading code nowadays, and I often have like 8 or more Sublime Text windows open (each open on a separate codebase). I cant imagine how much RAM it would take to do that in CLion or Visual Studio. Sublime Text's text search is the killer feature for me. CTRL+SHIFT+F and I can search a million LOC+ codebase instantly, navigate the results with CTRL+R, do a su…

Are you joking about the 8 editors?

I have a laptop I bought 10 years ago. It only has 16 gig of RAM [1].

I have had 8+ editors open, mix of visual studio and vs codes. And in VS you often group all your codebases into single solutions. So usually have multiple windows from multiple projects open in each ide.

It only struggles when I leave the debuggers running several days because of a slight (known) memory leak in visual studio. There's probably a fix but reopening the ide takes like 10 seconds. And it remembers all my open files.

All editors are much better, faster at searching, use less memory, etc. than they wwre 10/20 years ago.

Everyone's improved. You seem to be a bit stuck with an old impression.

[1] I have a vastly more powerful machine but I keep procrastinating switching my work setup over to it.

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Post by scosman »

thot_experiment wrote: post #121
scosman wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acceptable UX maybe, but the gap between Sonnet 3.5 and open models isn’t worth it. I know people are going to pitch qwen coder 72b, but it’s still a long way off on benchmarks and my time matters more.

You're the second person in this thread to make this point, what are you using it for? I find the difference is basically negligible (in the sense that both get the busywork right and both fail at anything complicated)

yeah, Sonnet goes past that. 300+ line changes in 20 seconds. You have to review it, but generally it's right. It's infinitely faster than the time to look at docs and do it myself.

Sure it's busywork. But it's a lot of busywork very fast.

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Post by result2vino »

bionhoward wrote: post #183

Microsoft would need to pay me to use Copilot. Seems like a major scam for them to learn from our code and then tell us we can’t use it to make our own competing AI systems. “Limits on use of data from the AI Services. You may not use the AI services, or data from the AI services, to create, train, or improve (directly or indirectly) any other AI service.” From https://www.microsoft.com/en/servicesagreement#13r_AISer…

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Re: GitHub Copilot is now available for free

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c »

JadoJodo wrote: post #35
asdev wrote: post #5

I ditched Copilot for Cursor and never looked back. Cursor might be the only other AI product with product market fit than ChatGPT, it's that good

Has anyone who uses an IDE (e.g., JetBrains, not a code editor) moved to Cursor? I've downloaded it a few times because everyone raves about it, but I've always come back almost immediately because editors can't reliably make changes across projects (among many other things)... What am I missing? FWIW I use GoLand w/ Supermaven, currently.

Same, would love all of these awesome AI features, but I have to use Rider.

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Post by Danjoe4 »

forty wrote: post #62

Is there any solution that is 1- fully local 2- open source 3- fast on CPU only 4- provide reasonable good results for smart auto complete ? I don't want my work to depend on proprietary or even worse, online, software. We (software engineer) got lucky that all the good tools are free software and I feel we have a collective interest in making sure it stays that way (unless we want to be like farmers having to pay Mo…

Continue VSCode extension.

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Post by int_19h »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #23
fifilura wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want to support AI or have my code trained on AI. What are your arguments for this?

1. I believe AI is detrimental. It makes us go too fast. It's all about production now, pure efficiency over individuals. 2. AI is too dangerous. Whatever innovations used for benign applications will be eventually used for more dangerous applications such as advanced genetic engineering and the military. 3. AI uses too much energy. It's disrespectful to the resources that we have. 4. AI is an apex technology amongst…

AI is a technology that, in principle, makes it possible to have a "Star Trek communism" society.

I agree with you that it can also be abused to make the existing state of affairs even worse. But if we resist technical progress on this basis, we'll never get better, either.

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