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GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

You will be surprised how many used US cars are exported overseas.

Ok that’s the only good point I’ve heard, but I assume those countries will be fine with adapters.

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> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

Tarrifs exist to protect higher wage jobs here in the US. There are no tariffs on foreign makers as long as they produce the cars or truck in the US.

“Completely due to” was meant in the sense of “fully reliant on” not “solely reliant on”. Tarrifs are not the only tool used, and US companies would simply not be allowed to fail, period.

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Honestly in your situation I'd wait it out and try to work with one car. The new Ioniq 5 models will have NACS, and plenty of other good things to look forward to for other cars.

yeah we live rural with two teens, so no car isn't much of an option but I'm thinking I'll just buy a cheap used ICE to tide me over until interest rates drop and I can save some $$ and go buy a new EV :-( had my eye on a used polestar 2 or mustang mach-e, but not sure I can justify debt for that

Ah yeah kids... With them on the insurance something cheap might be the move indeed.

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I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

> Crazy how no one else could figure this out. Tesla obviously didn't figure out how to do it with third parties either. It's about cooperation and politics, not so much about the technical implementation.

Interoperability sure, but the chargers breaking left and right is a separate issue.

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Uh, you can do the same with your EV? Nothing stopping you from unplugging and driving away if you want.

At a gas station you can just drive away. In an EV, you can't without getting out where the criminal is.

How are you putting gas in your car my guy

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Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, https://driveelectric.gov/news/new-cfi-funding-released > This funding opportunity is made possible by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law’s signature EV charging investments: the $2.5 billion Charging and Fueling Infrastructure (CFI) Discretionary Grant Program and funds from the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program that are set aside for strategic grants to st…

It's a difference between EU and US philosophies on regulation, particularly regulation of _competition_ issues. Broadly, the US's attitude is "please, companies, consider doing this, look at this big sack of subsidies", whereas the EU's attitude is "do this". (This wasn't always the case, and in fact at one time the US was tougher on competition law than Europe was, but since the late 90s the US has been largely asl…

And the US only established a national charging standard that it can incentive in February 2023 at that. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/02/28/2023-03...

Great stuff too, imo. Not just about charging plugs, but specifying standards for how cars communicate with chargers, mandating open APIs to show real time availability info (how many stations providing what charge outputs are available right now?); a full suite of requirements to make sure people can find working chargers & that cars can work with them.

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Seems like the US free market approach is winning yet again, where the superior product is becoming the standard, and the inventor of the superior product is profiting.

I don’t know. They could have given away their connector 10 years ago and saved everyone a huge and expensive mess. But that’s in their interest. So instead dozens of companies wasted huge amounts of monies installing a bunch of cables that all have to be replaced. Or the government could have seen that they had a better option and simply taken it and said it was the standard. But of course that wouldn’t be the Ameri…

> They could have given away their connector 10 years ago

And nobody would have adopted it. They had to make it into a de facto standard first, and did. Now, anyone who adopts it gets an infrastructure boost.

> Tesla chose not to fix this until the damage was done

What damage? Massive EV adoption? Retrofits are not difficult, and adapters are cheap.

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Batteries are becoming obsolete, scientists have discovered a new way to store energy, so the whole frame and body of the car is able to store energy. So we might see cars and laptops without batteries in the future.

Which scientists? Can I go out and buy this tech, or is it imaginary?

https://www.chalmers.se/en/current/news/big-breakthrough-for...

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Almost no Teslas were manufactured pre-2019 vs post-2019.

I think between 15 and 20% were build pre-2019. The number of non-CCS is actually on the higher end of this, as component shortages caused quite a few to be built without CCS support in 2020.

Can confirm. My 2020 MX does not have CCS capabilities.

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What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

Except sometimes campers. There are still people doing world trips. We might collectively decide they need to keep using diesel forever or stop doing world trips with vehicles altogether but that is still currently a thing, even though it is very very marginal. Also, the USA has borders with 2 countries with I imagine people crossing the border daily on both side to simply go to work. It seems weird to me that these…

Are people driving campers from New England to England? Or San Francisco to Tokyo? Semes like a challenging drive to me.

> the USA has borders with 2 countries with I imagine people crossing the border daily on both side to simply go to work

US, Mexico, and Canada all use the same charging standards. I can today drive an EV from Mexico through the US to Canada and use their chargers. They all originally agreed on CCS1. Small adapters from NACS to CCS1 are entirely passive and exist already.

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