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Just for the sake of argument, let us say infinite copies kills all profit drive to make a book. What kind of books still get written? There is an argument for the quality of books being made increasing due to only books that have true passion for the sake of sharing being produced under this system... art for the sake of itself, not for the sake of profit. If your only determining factor for writing a book is to mak…
I think that argument is pretty naive. The only books that would still get made are those from people privileged enough (money and time) to write books. You'll get way more ghost-written biographies from celebrities and hot takes from politicians.
The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
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Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this digital copy could only be checked out by one person and only when the physical book was not also checked out Even if that were the case I don’t think it’s acceptable. Physical used goods have limitations on transfer rate. If you want a used book you have to go to the store. Or have it shipped across the country. I adamantly oppose a global digital pool with instantaneous transfers. In that world you never nee…
> If that were the case then each copy would need to sell for thousands of dollars for content creators to afford food. That is precisely the agreement that existing libraries have with publishers now . The digital copy that they buy to lend out comes with restrictions on how many copies can be lent at a time, and also costs a lot more than just buying one copy of the book.
If we want media licenses to cost thousands of dollars so they can be loaned out digitally fine. That's something that can be fairly negotiated.
What I oppose is a regular off the shelf purchase being used for unlimited, instantaneous digital rentals. That's disastrously terrible idea.
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Still, under the CDL it is only one book, one person. This is significantly different from a site like Anna's Archive.
No, it isn't. They're issuing a copy to the reader for the duration of their checkout. Your argument might hold some weight if they scanned a book, destroyed the book, and then deleted the book from their own servers every time it was lent out... but that's not how CDL works. What they're doing is unambiguously copying.
Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
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> IA will let you download full video games for the switch that are still being actively sold [1] I am not seeing that anywhere. I see a file called “My Nintendo Switch games collection” and it is a big jpeg photo of a bookshelf. Is this what you mean?
I'm heavy into the tracker and open water scenes. IA is most certainly holding some amount of content that is copyrighted and currently sold like they mentioned. It's just not easy to find.
You could say the same of YouTube. As long as they take down copywritten works when asked, they should be fine.
Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
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> In his many interviews with U.S. media, he portrays the court cases and legal judgements as a crusade against the Internet Archive and all librarians. It's not. It's the logical outcome of one man's seemingly fanatical conviction against the law and the people who work very hard to bring new books into being. If IA had won, IA would be hailed as a cultural hero. They hit and they missed. Claiming Brewster Kahle is…
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Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
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How was the CDL hurting working authors? A library bought the book, paying the publisher and the author. The IA scanned the book for digital lending, this digital copy could only be checked out by one person and only when the physical book was not also checked out. I understand the court decided this wasn't okay. That aside, how was it hurting working authors?
From TFA: > However, the Internet Archive expanded its library project during the covid-19 pandemic. It launched the National Emergency Library, allowing an unlimited number of people to access the same copies of ebooks. That’s when the publishers banded together to file the lawsuit, targeting both online libraries. The digital copy could be checked out by many people at the same time.
Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
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A physical library does not involve making a copy, but lending out an existing physical copy. One book, one reader. "Controlled Digital Lending" literally involves making and transmitting a copy to another physical medium electronically. Brewster has endangered the good work done by people at the archive for a case he was never going to win and which was of dubious value. If he wants to be the next Anna's Archive the…
It does when the physical library is loaning an ebook -- it works on exactly the same principal as CDL -- library owns ebook, library loans out to one user the ebook -- that's why there is often a wait list when trying to check out ebooks from a real physical library. In fact, even the same DRM system is used to prevent the user from keeping the ebook after the loan is up -- Adobe's Digital Editions.
See: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/09/1135639385/libraries-publishe...
Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
#228Really wish one of the billionaires would fund a publishing house that worked off a very different model than the Copyright Protection Scheme that the current majors used. Something that would allow authors to capture upsides, publishers to recoup, and information to spread freely. Patronage? Large Advances + Subscriptions? Something besides what we have now. Writing a 200 - 300 page book takes fair bit of effort and…
They book industry is much similar to venture capital, where a bunch of bets are made on books that they hope they hit it big, and get the rest of their income from the long tail of previous books they hang onto.
Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
How was the CDL hurting working authors? A library bought the book, paying the publisher and the author. The IA scanned the book for digital lending, this digital copy could only be checked out by one person and only when the physical book was not also checked out. I understand the court decided this wasn't okay. That aside, how was it hurting working authors?
Maybe not the CDL, but the "national emergency library" that ignored the one-book-per-person limit definitely went too far.
Re: The Internet Archive has lost its appeal in Hachette vs. Internet Archive
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So what I'm mad at is not that IA did CDL and imperilled thier other work -- it's that instead of doing CDL in a way most likely to result in a successful case if sued, they did it in a reckless not-C way that resulted in a bad case that ruined CDL, where maybe a better case with better facts would not have. In a more reasonable world we could imagine Congress might pass a law authorizing actual one-copy-per CDL by n…
Yes, the NEL period surely soured even more what was already going to be a hard case, and gave the publishers greater impetus to bring it, and blunted the negative PR they'd have gotten. I don't know that any CDL that was done on a significant enough scale to be worth the suit was ever going to survive, though. I've thought since the beginning of this saga that a change in statute would pretty much be needed for CDL…
But looking at it, maybe this was the way the original suit was set up necessarily, and the lower court decision? OK.