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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise »

yardstick wrote: post #171
constantcrying wrote: post #115

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I have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.

Have you seen any Banksy? Do you consider his work graffiti? Most of his work is graffiti’d onto public property without permission. https://www.artsy.net/artist/banksy

> Have you seen any Banksy? Do you consider his work graffiti?

Yes and yes. Overhyped "I'm 14 and this is deep" energy.

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Post by HPsquared »

ozim wrote: post #176
flemhans wrote: post #13

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

If you want a realistic example look at football ultra fans. There is whole subculture, competition and collaboration networks between fan groups. Some call it bestial street fighting where people lose lives and health but some might find it fascinating…

Or, on a larger scale, military history.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise »

kichimi wrote: post #159
constantcrying wrote: post #115

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I have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.

Defacing is your opinion, I think a city without graffiti is a dead city, it's an improvement.

Good for you. Keep it to your backyard.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by waihtis »

JW_00000 wrote: post #220
constantcrying wrote: post #104

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

This is pretty ironic to read on a forum called "Hacker" News, which also originated as a counter-culture that considered itself creative but was regarded as criminal by the general public.

lol, the hacker in hacker news is not in reference to the blackhat, but a tinkerer

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Post by nicolas_t »

72deluxe wrote: post #218
oaiey wrote: post #113

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Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

What a strange argument that seems to romanticise this "border" called "the law". It is black and white: someone is defacing something that doesn't belong to them. You can call the result whatever you want ("art","expression" etc) but the fundamental issue doesn't change. Would you be happy to wake up and see your car covered in paint? What about the windows on your house? Would you see this as an "improvement" too?

I think I’d be relatively happy if I woke up one day and saw a banksy or an invader mosaic on my wall.

I’ve seen graffiti art that definitely improved grey ugly walls and barriers. I’ve also seen ugly tags that are nothing more than letters. It’s relative

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Post by stormking »

nextaccountic wrote: post #89
ldjb wrote: post #28

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The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations…

Why remove it?

Because 99.99% of it is shit and the rest is barely above shit.

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Post by wiseowise »

atoav wrote: post #181
constantcrying wrote: post #104

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

As someone with an art degree (with no great admiration for street art per sé) I have to ask one question: Could you imagine that one person's "defaced" is another person's "finally some colors"? The destruction of property, trespassing etc. is obviously on the wrong side of the law, but on purely aesthetical terms this could be argued either way making it for that narrow category a subjective thing. Proponents of gr…

That's easy:

Was the graffiti made with approval of the owner of the building? Does it fit general aesthetics of the city? Yes and yes - it's finally some colors. Otherwise it's a vandalism.

If it's a public building - it's vandalism, unless it was decided by all people living there.

> As an art person I really see truly good graffiti, yet I have to notice that heavily graffitied parts of my city are tourist magnets — so many people tend to like those "defaced" walls.

Yeah, way to make life hell for residents of the neighborhood.

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Post by stormking »

lifeofguenter wrote: post #103
flemhans wrote: post #13

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

Comparing Graffiti with Bank robbery is crazy. Its Art. I would like to understand why people take offense in it - especially if done on places that are so non-important.

No, it's not.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise »

vasco wrote: post #16
flemhans wrote: post #13

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I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

> And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over.

How about neither?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise »

thuuuomas wrote: post #34
ldjb wrote: post #28

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The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations…

> The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. The cost incurred here is a choice the owner makes when they disagree with the aesthetics of the graffiti.

Nice.

I'm going to spray a can of paint on your car and explain to judge that "it's thuuuomas's problem now, since he disagrees with aesthetics of his new car color".

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