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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by fcsp »

lqet wrote: post #11
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

That's fair, but even interesting graffiti still won't let any sunshine come through. Also, I would rather look out the window [0] than appreciate artwork when riding on a train. [0] https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/trier/17134459...

Considering the look of the train to the vast majority of people outside of it, I'm fine with not seeing anything - I'm staring at my book anyway for the most part, and there's another window on the other side. And I prefer it a lot over those ads that anyway otherwise contaminate the window with some random, probably sexist, racist, or otherwise shite nonsense.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by 2024throwaway »

lqet wrote: post #11
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

That's fair, but even interesting graffiti still won't let any sunshine come through. Also, I would rather look out the window [0] than appreciate artwork when riding on a train. [0] https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/trier/17134459...

When I ride my local rail, I look forward to getting to pass another train to see all the amazing artwork.

It's far nicer and more interesting than yet another development or parking lot.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by fcsp »

Lorin wrote: post #17

Ok, now they have an excuse to employ a crew to keep them clean like any other window-like product... instead of it just being a wall? I don't get it.

There's maintenance management fees to be earned!

I don't know about how this stuff works, but as a matter of fact there's management bonuses for new development for DB execs, whereas nothing is gained from plain bleak maintenance. So guess why many major train stations in Germany have been undergoing major, multi-billion relocations and redesigns (often with worse throughput metrics).

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by thuuuomas »

ldjb wrote: post #28
vasco wrote: post #16

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When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course. If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public. Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations…

> The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti.

The cost incurred here is a choice the owner makes when they disagree with the aesthetics of the graffiti.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by labster »

ghostly_s wrote: post #25
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

[0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53eea42eea57c8b7dc/w1200_h630_x662_y525_GA_85197421_2005565667_RGB_190_1_1_2d14a73e871971ed95a819ea6b69b342_1593349745_2005565667_77b22cacaf-f8bed87dc312e74a.jpg looks much nicer than a blank wall to me.

I don’t know, I doubt I would want a URL this long on my wall.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by diego_sandoval »

vasco wrote: post #16
flemhans wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

I don't think the reason that ads are allowed is because people prefer them.

The reason is that whoever puts an ad does so on their own property. You don't put an ad on someone else's wall against their will.

Graffiti, on the other hand, is usually done without authorization from the owner of the wall or facade being graffitied.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by pizzalife »

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9
lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

Highly recommend the movies by the 1UP crew to get a feel for why this is actually great art.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wahnfrieden »

germinator wrote: post #20
vasco wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.

They're very cool until it's your apartment or commercial building, and you have to clean it up - because let's face it, for every clever graffiti, there are fifty that are just tags, swear words, or worse. And your framing is odd - can you only dislike one of these things? Graffiti or ads? There are successful movements to rid cities and scenic areas of ads, or to tone them down.

in toronto it's embraced to the extent that in areas where it's common, there's funding by businesses and even residences or local gov commission it or permit it and nice work by local artists is less likely to get tagged or covered. there's at least some upside to cooperating when there's a culture to it (to some extent)

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

Hugsun wrote: post #19
flemhans wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating

Implying that graffiti is as bad as bank robberies is wild.

Dunno dude. If my bank is robbed there’s no real impact to me - all the money is insured. If someone graffitis my house then it looks horrible and I have to spend time and money cleaning it up.
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