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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by xattt »

rickdeckard wrote: post #210
walterbell wrote: post #184

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> Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it After installing https://ish.app for Alpine Linux emulation on iPad, one immediately comes up with use cases, even though it's excruciatingly slow. Hopefully Apple opens up the imminent M3 iPad Pros to allow macOS and Linux VMs, even if the feature is initially price segmented to devices with extra RAM. The iPad 4:3 hig…

As long as the majority of the target group keeps buying MacBooks AND iPads, I doubt that Apple has an incentive to cannibalize its own product line. They are well-aware of this, visible from the fact that they never bothered to add a touch panel or Pen-support to any MacBook, or make the Watch a standalone device: Customers wanting this either buy the devices individually anyway, or wouldn't be willing to hand over…

I see the Watch the same as a late 90s Palm device. You can’t make it standalone, because it depends on a larger device for configuration.

Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that it be made available for Android users as well.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by MyFirstSass »

manderley wrote: post #211
MyFirstSass wrote: post #180

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Another thing is the issue of e-waste. At some point i had multiple older iPads with perfectly great screens, and i wanted to use them as "hubs" for a home setup to control various things, another option was using them as secondary screens, or maybe just give them to a kid. You couldn't, they were simply to old for the new IOS update, and almost all apps including browsers requires the newer IOS and update automatica…

Of course they were recycled, there are valuable minerals in these devices.

Well, in my country there's been multiple scandals about waste handling where it was found very little ended up being recycled, the sorting people did in some cases created more pollution because it had to be transported and huge amounts ended up in big dumps of toxic assorted garbage either here or in some third world country where kids then make a few cents a day scavenging in the toxic piles.

So yeah, i'm sceptical. There's a reason it's called reduce, re-use, recycle as a very distant third as far as i've seen.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by niutech »

DCKing wrote: post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

You can run Linux on iPad today, see the options: https://ipadlinux.org

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by abenga »

changoplatanero wrote: post #149
DCKing wrote: post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

Is it right to say that currently the cost of the hardware is being partly subsidized by the profits Apple makes from the software? If some of the profit from the software gets taken away will we see the price of the hardware rise?

Margins on Apple hardware are generally quite robust.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

varispeed wrote: post #163
changoplatanero wrote: post #149

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Is it right to say that currently the cost of the hardware is being partly subsidized by the profits Apple makes from the software? If some of the profit from the software gets taken away will we see the price of the hardware rise?

The cost of custom chips is massive, but then manufacturing is cheap - after selling N units to pay off the initial investment, it's almost free (unit cost) when done at scale.

I don’t think manufacturing would end up almost free for any of the newest chips since there are such tight tolerances and high failure rates. At least not for quite a few more years when (if?) there are competing fabs.

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Post by user_7832 »

rcarmo wrote: post #172
user_7832 wrote: post #121

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In the meantime I think Altserver works if you connect to a pc frequently enough

Tried that. And other alternatives I don’t remember right now. Still a hassle I don’t want to get into (and I have something like seven Proxmox nodes in the house). I just have other priorities and wish that this was as easy to do as in Android. The EU adjust doesn’t get that, and probably never will, because the bureaucrats are more worried about impact to their industry lobbyists than to their citizens.

Ah that's disappointing, but as a fellow user I too found it too troublesome so I understand that.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by user_7832 »

ako wrote: post #190
Jleagle wrote: post #176

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You can already do this, when you buy a car you own it and manufacturers don't stop you changing the car however you like.

But the government might require you to reapprove your car if you make big modifications to it.

Yes, because a car without safety features can kill people easily

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by HenryBemis »

xattt wrote: post #221
rickdeckard wrote: post #210

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As long as the majority of the target group keeps buying MacBooks AND iPads, I doubt that Apple has an incentive to cannibalize its own product line. They are well-aware of this, visible from the fact that they never bothered to add a touch panel or Pen-support to any MacBook, or make the Watch a standalone device: Customers wanting this either buy the devices individually anyway, or wouldn't be willing to hand over…

I see the Watch the same as a late 90s Palm device. You can’t make it standalone, because it depends on a larger device for configuration. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that it be made available for Android users as well.

I bought some Apple Watches (because of reasons). I am wearing one right now. Model 3 (Nike edition or something). I've switched everything off (WiFi, Bluetooth, analytics, the whole thing). It only shows the date and time. The battery lasts 4-5 days.

It's amazing when you shut down the telemetry-battery-draining functionality of devices. And to add some more insult, I am using an Android phone, which ofc don't even try to connect to my watch :) I believe -and Gemini just confirmed- that they don't work together.

> it depends on a larger device for configuration

yes, the architecture was purposfully made, so that the Watch only collects your bio-metrics, with limited own/independent functionality. They (Apple) does want everyone in the 'garden', so why open it up?

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Post by user_7832 »

shuckles wrote: post #183
76SlashDolphin wrote: post #179

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False equivalence - a manual gearstick complicates the design of the car, making each unit cost more, while allowing sideloading is a one-time development cost with marginal maintenance costs. Also my car manufacturer doesn't get a 30% cut every time I fuel up because I use an automatic transmission. If it were like that I can assure you there would be a much bigger uproar than in this sideloading debate.

It's hard to imagine how a working developer can believe that maintaining a platform where anyone can do anything has only upfront fixed costs. Apple spent about 4 years trying to change the contract of the pasteboard API to resolve unwanted data access concerns.

> It's hard to imagine how a working developer can believe that maintaining a platform where anyone can do anything has only upfront fixed costs.

Isn't that how Google Play Store works? $25 once, for life. Presumably revenue is from IAPs and ads.

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