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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by robertlagrant »

meepmorp wrote: post #153
gtufano wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is not-impactful is not true. The disappearance of indie software that do not depend on a remote server (or that's not software on a remote server) is basically due to the inability to monetize with sales native, stand-alone, software. And that's for the piracy. In some way, the success of the App Store towards indie/solo developers is because there was a way to sell things without the piracy easily steal your…

Piracy literally cannot affect the economic wellbeing of content or software producers. It is logically impossible! If it weren't, you wouldn't be experiencing this cascade of downvotes, so get with the program.

> If it weren't, you wouldn't be experiencing this cascade of downvotes, so get with the program.

Disregarding this statement's general silliness, it is also downvoted. Now we're in a paradox. Downvotes mean you're wrong, so the statement that downvotes mean you're wrong..is wrong?

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by rcarmo »

user_7832 wrote: post #121
rcarmo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already use Android devices as well, thanks.

In the meantime I think Altserver works if you connect to a pc frequently enough

Tried that. And other alternatives I don’t remember right now. Still a hassle I don’t want to get into (and I have something like seven Proxmox nodes in the house). I just have other priorities and wish that this was as easy to do as in Android.

The EU adjust doesn’t get that, and probably never will, because the bureaucrats are more worried about impact to their industry lobbyists than to their citizens.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by seltzered_ »

DCKing wrote: post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

Yep. Repeating a collage from 2020 ( https://imgur.com/a/CQwApt8 ) and comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31644188 ) on the strange workarounds done to use Linux (or possibly even windows) on an ipad.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by ghusto »

kvdveer wrote: post #6
kevingadd wrote: post #5

I'm genuinely surprised by this. I figured the differences between tablets and phones, combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point. If the shared app store is part of the problem I wonder if that makes it a liability for any new apple ecosystem to tie into the App Store, like Vision OS for example.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Because it doesn't meet the criteria. To summarise heavily, they are:

- Size criteria:

    Have an annual turnover in the European Economic Area (EEA) of at least €7.5 billion in each of the last three financial years, or

    Have a market capitalization of at least €75 billion, and

    Provide the same core platform service in at least three EU countries.
- Control an important gateway:

    Provide a core platform service which is an important gateway for business users to reach end users.
- Entrenched and durable position:

    Enjoy an entrenched and durable position on the market, operationalized by having had at least 45 million monthly active end users and 10,000 yearly business users of the same core platform service in the EEA in the last three years.
In fact, the EU has admitted that iPads do not meet the criteria, and are making an explicit exception to include them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm _very_ happy about this, but you asked ;)

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by rcarmo »

neya wrote: post #170

Almost a decade ago, I bought an iPad Air to try and replace my MacBook Pro. It didn't work and had to resort to laggy online editors with paid subscriptions. And even then, when I was doing Ruby on Rails, it didn't even work out. Ok, so, the technology was new, sure. Last year I got myself an M series iPad "Pro" thinking things would have changed. Well, VS Code was the only product that allowed me to run a tiny VM t…

Yeah, I’ve been doing the “sidecar” approach for a long time. Here’s the latest iteration: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2023/10/07/1830

I would also love to run a Linux VM on my iPad Pro, but if we could get third-party app sideloading to work without alternative app stores and other idiocy UTM would fix that for me.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by Jleagle »

robertlagrant wrote: post #169
rcarmo wrote: post #41

I’m still waiting for a way to run my own apps on my own devices that doesn’t require re-signing them every week.

[flagged]

You can already do this, when you buy a car you own it and manufacturers don't stop you changing the car however you like.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by stevej1999 »

neya wrote: post #170

Almost a decade ago, I bought an iPad Air to try and replace my MacBook Pro. It didn't work and had to resort to laggy online editors with paid subscriptions. And even then, when I was doing Ruby on Rails, it didn't even work out. Ok, so, the technology was new, sure. Last year I got myself an M series iPad "Pro" thinking things would have changed. Well, VS Code was the only product that allowed me to run a tiny VM t…

Base on your descriptions MacBook Air would fit your needs the best.

Most people don't need MacBook Pro. Those extra cores just sit idle most of the time if not utilised for heavy computation.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by Rinzler89 »

changoplatanero wrote: post #149
DCKing wrote: post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

Is it right to say that currently the cost of the hardware is being partly subsidized by the profits Apple makes from the software? If some of the profit from the software gets taken away will we see the price of the hardware rise?

>Is it right to say that currently the cost of the hardware is being partly subsidized by the profits Apple makes from the software?

No, it wouldn't be. You're probably thinking about gaming consoles who's HW is sold at a loss or at very thin profit margins and subsidized by the more expensive game purchases, but Apple hardware already has the highest profit margins of any HW manufacturer out there, and at their 200 USD per 8GB of commodity RAM and NAND chips, you better believe it.

So no, they don't need the walled garden SW money to fund HW. Their HW alone brings in plenty of cash.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by 76SlashDolphin »

robertlagrant wrote: post #169
rcarmo wrote: post #41

I’m still waiting for a way to run my own apps on my own devices that doesn’t require re-signing them every week.

[flagged]

False equivalence - a manual gearstick complicates the design of the car, making each unit cost more, while allowing sideloading is a one-time development cost with marginal maintenance costs. Also my car manufacturer doesn't get a 30% cut every time I fuel up because I use an automatic transmission. If it were like that I can assure you there would be a much bigger uproar than in this sideloading debate.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by MyFirstSass »

DCKing wrote: post #67

The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

Another thing is the issue of e-waste.

At some point i had multiple older iPads with perfectly great screens, and i wanted to use them as "hubs" for a home setup to control various things, another option was using them as secondary screens, or maybe just give them to a kid.

You couldn't, they were simply to old for the new IOS update, and almost all apps including browsers requires the newer IOS and update automatically without asking - essentially bricking them on purpose.

Anyway i ended up giving them to a "safe e-waste center" but i'm sceptical they'll actually be recycled.

I think locking down a device should be illegal especially e-waste considered, and if there's some reason not to, then it should at least be opened the day official support ends so the device can be used to watch videos/games for kids/whatever.

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