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Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Post by refurb »

yieldcrv wrote: post #194
refurb wrote: post #153

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> money laundering - the federal crime - relies, absolutely relies on their being an illicit origin. it cannot be charged independently and relies on discovering there was an illicit origin and moving to prosecute that. There are money laundering laws that require it be illicit funds. But there are also transaction reporting requirements - like generating a currency transaction report (CTR) - that don't require the f…

yes “structuring” is illegal. its not a “money laundering law”, perhaps a capital control. its unproductive to play into the idea that all movement of money is laundering and it isnt moving a discussion forward when the language is conflating everything. I can see the categorization of "AML" - anti-money laundering law. I think then that the context hasn't been made clear, when we are discussing the actual criminal c…

Meh... it's the media. I wouldn't expect any precision in their reporting.

"Man guilty of violating laws in place to prevent money laundering" becomes "Man guilty of money laundering".

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Post by everforward »

lazide wrote: post #220
yieldcrv wrote: post #219

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why does 51% of the population 'lose' with cheap sex work? I'm not understand what is unsaid here or is being assumed to have a shared understanding.

The vast majority of customers for sex workers (95%+?) are men, with the vast majority of workers being women. 51% of most populations are women, 49% are men. Seems pretty obvious?

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Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Post by yieldcrv »

lazide wrote: post #220
yieldcrv wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why does 51% of the population 'lose' with cheap sex work? I'm not understand what is unsaid here or is being assumed to have a shared understanding.

The vast majority of customers for sex workers (95%+?) are men, with the vast majority of workers being women. 51% of most populations are women, 49% are men. Seems pretty obvious?

no, not obvious.

yes, the market for sex work is primarily men. of them, the vast majority are interested in heterosexual pairings from women providers.

can you finish articulating why women would be losing from cheap sex work? which women, the sex workers? a different group? what are each group losing specifically?

have you talked to any sex workers? many of them say they've gained something and I'm waiting to compare that with what you are trying to articulate

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Post by lazide »

yieldcrv wrote: post #223
lazide wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of customers for sex workers (95%+?) are men, with the vast majority of workers being women. 51% of most populations are women, 49% are men. Seems pretty obvious?

no, not obvious. yes, the market for sex work is primarily men. of them, the vast majority are interested in heterosexual pairings from women providers. can you finish articulating why women would be losing from cheap sex work? which women, the sex workers? a different group? what are each group losing specifically? have you talked to any sex workers? many of them say they've gained something and I'm waiting to compa…

Bwahaha, have fun with that. I'm sure you'd never believe and/or would be shocked that those Latino dudes hanging out in 90% of Home Depot parking lots every morning (and getting picked up by contractors) DO NOT actually have valid work authorizations and/or US Citizenship. Not usually Mexicanos though, despite the stereotype. Same with 50-90%+ of drywallers, framers, etc. at least in the US west/south (depending on exact metro area).

And as long as it isn't too big of a hot button topic at the moment, no one does anything about it either. There will be an occasional 'whack a mole' action when it does become a hot button, then it goes back to being ignored.

Since homeowners and businesses 'win' and low value blue collar labor 'loses', not likely to change either until Labor starts getting organized again.

In any trade, someone always gets something for something. Market effects, who gets what for how much, etc. are what I’m talking about.

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Post by yieldcrv »

lazide wrote: post #224
yieldcrv wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, not obvious. yes, the market for sex work is primarily men. of them, the vast majority are interested in heterosexual pairings from women providers. can you finish articulating why women would be losing from cheap sex work? which women, the sex workers? a different group? what are each group losing specifically? have you talked to any sex workers? many of them say they've gained something and I'm waiting to compa…

Bwahaha, have fun with that. I'm sure you'd never believe and/or would be shocked that those Latino dudes hanging out in 90% of Home Depot parking lots every morning (and getting picked up by contractors) DO NOT actually have valid work authorizations and/or US Citizenship. Not usually Mexicanos though, despite the stereotype. Same with 50-90%+ of drywallers, framers, etc. at least in the US west/south (depending on…

I appreciate the analogy, they compare dissimilar things with a common attribute.

What was the common attribute? Can you finish articulating what was asked?

Is it difficult for you to talk about sex work and women? Because I would like to have that conversation, it was an interesting prompt

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Post by roenxi »

klausa wrote: post #116
roenxi wrote: post #102

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While that is philosophically true, but this thread is illustrating why that isn't a helpful perspective . Consider a media organisation has a bias towards accurate reporting with a view to helping readers achieve the best outcome for themselves and good outcomes for society. We could correctly call such an organisation "slanted", but it is missing the point that there some slants are privileged by virtue of leading…

> Consider a media organisation has a bias towards accurate reporting with a view to helping readers achieve the best outcome for themselves and good outcomes for society. I think you'll find that literally every media organisations thinks it's doing exactly that — the issue is that people have _wildly_ different conceits of what "best outcome" for them is.

They might believe it but anyone not engaging in motivated reasoning can see they aren't. But it just isn't reasonably possible to match up major news reporting with someone who sat down and asked "what reporting is important and helpful to the readers?" outside maybe financial journals. They're pretty obviously trying to gin up hate, fear and misunderstanding. The reporting on Trump alone during his presidency was jaw dropping, let alone all the low-level warmongering that threads through the corporate press.

My rule of thumb is to go read what any politician actually said, because I've only seen it reported accurately by a journalist in rare cases. That rule simply isn't something a productive reporting slant would require.

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Post by lazide »

yieldcrv wrote: post #225
lazide wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bwahaha, have fun with that. I'm sure you'd never believe and/or would be shocked that those Latino dudes hanging out in 90% of Home Depot parking lots every morning (and getting picked up by contractors) DO NOT actually have valid work authorizations and/or US Citizenship. Not usually Mexicanos though, despite the stereotype. Same with 50-90%+ of drywallers, framers, etc. at least in the US west/south (depending on…

I appreciate the analogy, they compare dissimilar things with a common attribute. What was the common attribute? Can you finish articulating what was asked? Is it difficult for you to talk about sex work and women? Because I would like to have that conversation, it was an interesting prompt

I used to be an EMT. I’ve known folks from all walks of life.

You’re better off just reading some of the existing studies and materials though, there are a ton, if you’re curious. Plenty of blogs from sex workers near as I can tell too.

Also, near as I can tell, plenty of blue collar workers who wished they could get away with working in that industry!

It isn’t just ‘sex work and women’ after all.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Post by webspinner »

kaliqt wrote: post #103
webspinner wrote: post #69

Well he should be acquitted on all counts to do with the founding of the site. If he laundered money, that isn't good.

You have got to be kidding me. The government is the biggest criminal, this guy is nothing, this shouldn't even be a discussion.

Sure, that's why I said "if."

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Post by ahazred8ta »

ahazred8ta wrote: post #80
nailer wrote: post #46

America is bizarre. Technically prostitution is illegal in my state, Googling “new York city escort” shows thousands of results.

Barney Miller had an episode where a gal was delivering I♥NY buttons to hotel rooms for $75 per button.

In the Soviet Union, you would find street corners with the number 50 chalked on the sidewalk, and women standing nearby smoking. Police would gladly explain that there is no law against standing next to a number.
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