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Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Reason is not slanted. It's a very libertarian site and a lot of people come from the left.

>X is not slanted. It's a .

I meant like say brieghbart is, it's a conservative source. I've never known of reason to be such thing though.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

#102
post #95

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Reason is not slanted. It's a very libertarian site and a lot of people come from the left.

All news media has a bias, it's literally impossible to serve a finite news set and not exert some editorial control. However, if you describe a news site as (very political ideology) I think it's fair to consider it slanted.

While that is philosophically true, but this thread is illustrating why that isn't a helpful perspective . Consider a media organisation has a bias towards accurate reporting with a view to helping readers achieve the best outcome for themselves and good outcomes for society. We could correctly call such an organisation "slanted", but it is missing the point that there some slants are privileged by virtue of leading the reader to act in a reasonable and rational manner while others don't.

I'm not sure if the US - or the world - has any of those. But the generic "there is a slant" point is useless. What matters is what the slant leads people to do, what information the slant is omitting and whether said slant is a good one on balance. If calling a media organisations "slanted" doesn't imply "slanted [in a way I think is potentially bad and relevant]" then the word is useless and shouldn't be used.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Well he should be acquitted on all counts to do with the founding of the site. If he laundered money, that isn't good.

You have got to be kidding me. The government is the biggest criminal, this guy is nothing, this shouldn't even be a discussion.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

#104
post #26

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And how is it money laundering if it turned out the money wasn't proceeds of crime.

You could receive money legitimately (let's say, donations to your synagogue) and funnel it to politically disfavoured causes (for example, anti-war protesters in the Middle East). It doesn't fit the metaphor of money laundering, of turning dirty money into clean, but it's usually prosecuted under the same statutes.

mmm actually no.

money laundering - the federal crime - relies, absolutely relies on their being an illicit origin. it cannot be charged independently and relies on discovering there was an illicit origin and moving to prosecute that.

think harder about it and successful money laundering is impossible to be convicted of as an illicit origin is never discovered and probable cause is never established to get the subpoenas.

seems that nobody ever imagined that the jury convicts someone on the money laundering charge and the judge acquits on the illicit origin charge amongst others. this does seem to require an appeal to rectify and everyone agrees he has a big chance of this getting dropped on appeal too, since its just dangling disconnected from its requirements.

the other things you’re talking about would be prosecuted under different laws.

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Good. Prostitution should be legal and regulated to begin with. People are getting HIV at an alarming rate because the whole system is unregulated.

I personally like the legal and regulated approach, specifically because it comes with routine worker testing and consumer protections and labor rights

apparently sex workers like decriminalized, because non-compliance with the regulated regimes have so far been a parallel illegal system

but I cant think of any industry we would listen to who answered “how about just a completely hands off decriminalized approach” if asked to choose between illegal, unregulated, legal and regulated

I don’t think decriminalized comes with adequate consumer protection, and the problems with legalized systems can be addressed by fixing how non-compliance is penalized, and by providing incentives to join the regulated system instead of just penalties for not

regarding trafficking, well keep prosecuting that. as labor trafficking. make more avenues of support for the laborer which is far easier with labor rights. what people find hardest to reconcile is the idea of giving up on preventing trafficking, nothing they support right now is doing that or capable of doing that while burdening everyone else.

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> We have a very high bar for guilt in criminal trials. If we do, then my suggestion should be easy to implement and will only impact a tiny minority of cases. Of course, in this case it's pretty clear that the prosecution made up a bunch of charges that they knew they'd lose on to try to drain the resources of the people they were charging, as well as punish them pre-emptively. The prosecution also clearly broke the…

Sounds like a false dichotomy between "cases that will always result in guilty verdicts" and "cases that the prosecution knew they'd lose but brought anyway to drain resources". You don't seem to recognize that there are many, many cases that could go either way, based on how judges rule about evidentiary matters, what the composition of the jury is, etc. As someone who was a lawyer for years, and who has served on a…

Yeah, cause then prosecutors would actually have to look for exculpatory evidence before charging instead of just sitting on their asses and relying on juries assuming guilt (because why else would someone be on trial?)

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post #38

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Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.

The irony of this being Arizona we're talking about and the significant contribution of illegal immigrants to the state economy.

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Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

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Good. Prostitution should be legal and regulated to begin with. People are getting HIV at an alarming rate because the whole system is unregulated.

Raising HIV against prostitution is like bringing up animal cruelty for veganism: it's not really the most important of many overlapping concerns surrounding the issue. Anti-prostitution and anti-abortion laws in the US exist because evangelical Christian white supremacists are able to tell heathens what they can't do with their bodies and pass laws to force their views on other people. These come with the burdens of…

'laws against child murder are because of white supremacists and their barbarous religion'

Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts

#110

Good. Prostitution should be legal and regulated to begin with. People are getting HIV at an alarming rate because the whole system is unregulated.

Raising HIV against prostitution is like bringing up animal cruelty for veganism: it's not really the most important of many overlapping concerns surrounding the issue. Anti-prostitution and anti-abortion laws in the US exist because evangelical Christian white supremacists are able to tell heathens what they can't do with their bodies and pass laws to force their views on other people. These come with the burdens of…

If I’m not mistaken, animal cruelty is the number one reason for vegans being vegans. What exactly are you saying?
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