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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by COOL_DUDE_2112 »

anonym29 wrote: post #55
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #41

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If you can, please link to it. I would like to read it. Because a prominent feature of dissidents in the USSR and Putin’s Russia is that they often retreated into private worlds (samizdat literature, organizing cultural events privately in their own flats, writing for their desk drawer) instead of overtly challenging the regime. To the point where such dissidents can be suspicious of those who are vocal: people who a…

Go ask American conservatives today how they feel about groups that allege to publicly challenge the uniparty regime here, like "Patriot Front". Every conservative I know views those groups as honeypots for dissidents being operated by the regime itself (FBI, FBI informants etc). They have their own substack and medium feeds that are unshackled by conventional reporting standards and frequently contrast deeply agains…

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by BirdieNZ »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #181
wkat4242 wrote: post #140

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I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All th…

Are there connections between ADHD autism in your view? I feel like if I had my wits about me, i woulda made the same choice

ADHD and autism are comorbid in one direction (people with autism are more likely than the general population to have ADHD, but people with ADHD are not more likely than the general population to have autism).

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by tysam_and »

golergka wrote: post #197
lucubratory wrote: post #187

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I am autistic as well and what you are saying makes no sense to me. When someone is in need around me and requires help, by definition they need help and are not currently receiving it, which is an injustice and unfair. Therefore I have to remedy the injustice, therefore I have to help. That is how I experience the autistic sense of justice. How are you reconciling that contradiction?

Why do you perceive somebody who needs held and requires it as injustice? Helping others is an ethical thing, the right thing to do, but never an obligation that we owe them.

I experience this as well, it's a pretty common autistic perspective. Not sure exactly why. Seeing need can be overwhelming as a result as my brain is not filtering out the "should i weigh my potential discomfort to help this person?" question, in the way or degree that many/most neurotypical brains do.

oddly enough, autistic people can have an extremely heightened sense of empathy and moral justice compared to the average population. this seems to me to personally have some very distinct upsides and downsides.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

epivosism wrote: post #202

bystander effect is not valid in the first place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect#Counter_examp... even wikipedia has updated saying Counter example In 2019, a large international cultural anthropology study analyzed 219 street disputes and confrontations that were recorded by security cameras in three cities in different countries—Lancaster, Amsterdam, and Cape Town. Contrary to bystander theory, the s…

Maybe the knowledge of the bystander effect makes people consciously avoid it. Plus all those set-up shows where they get people to do "off" shit and see how people react.

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Post by mcronce »

permo-w wrote: post #171
mcronce wrote: post #164

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My intuition is that, in addition to what you mentioned and at least for longer flights, some people have residual effects from the mild hypoxia at altitude when they're on the ground in their destination airport. I, at least, sure as hell feel dumber for the rest of the day after a six hour flight. Usually that's accompanied by a fairly debilitating headache.

alcohol always seems to hit me harder on a plane, and afterwards

I can't drink during/before flights at all, it destroys me

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

BirdieNZ wrote: post #222
Obscurity4340 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there connections between ADHD autism in your view? I feel like if I had my wits about me, i woulda made the same choice

ADHD and autism are comorbid in one direction (people with autism are more likely than the general population to have ADHD, but people with ADHD are not more likely than the general population to have autism).

Interesting distinction, thank you

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Post by hedgehog »

pc86 wrote: post #198
mcronce wrote: post #164

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My intuition is that, in addition to what you mentioned and at least for longer flights, some people have residual effects from the mild hypoxia at altitude when they're on the ground in their destination airport. I, at least, sure as hell feel dumber for the rest of the day after a six hour flight. Usually that's accompanied by a fairly debilitating headache.

Commercial airline cabins are pressurized to at most 8k feet; there are no hypoxic effects at that altitude, at least not on decision-making. You don't need continuous oxygen on the flight deck until either 14 or 14.5k feet (in the US, EU might be slightly different). The FAA is dogmatic and wrong about a lot of things, but if there was even the slightest bit of evidence showing decreased decision-making or cognition…

You can watch your blood oxygen dip when flying, I don't know how significant the effect is on performance but as a sea level dweller there seems to be some observable difference in the data.

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Post by quickthrower2 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #140
nathan_compton wrote: post #116

I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All th…

I like to exploit these things but not because of autism, but opportunity. The shorter queue at the cinema that no one joins, for example, because they didn't notice because of the big queue.

It is worth taking note of what other people are doing though. Maybe not so much at airports that should have everything running like clockwork, but some places communication of new information is poor, done verbally so not everyone hears. It is worth asking people "why you doing that" sometimes.

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Post by dirtybirdnj »

anigbrowl wrote: post #103

A pessimistic corollary to this is that intervention is often followed by social punishment if it impinges on anyone else's interests or even just makes the bystanders look bad.

"don't make me look bad" is like the neurotypicals prayer

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Post by josephcsible »

BirdieNZ wrote: post #222
Obscurity4340 wrote: post #181

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Are there connections between ADHD autism in your view? I feel like if I had my wits about me, i woulda made the same choice

ADHD and autism are comorbid in one direction (people with autism are more likely than the general population to have ADHD, but people with ADHD are not more likely than the general population to have autism).

> people with autism are more likely than the general population to have ADHD, but people with ADHD are not more likely than the general population to have autism

I'm pretty sure that's not mathematically possible. If W people have both, X people have only autism, Y people have only ADHD, and Z people have neither, can you provide values for W, X, Y, and Z that would make that claim true?

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