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Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by mattdesl »

smeej wrote: post #213
timbit42 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to mean Bitcoin when you say crypto. Other cryptocurrencies such as Ethereum can do autobill.

Only of a pre-funded wallet. It's still different from a credit card. With a credit card, someone else fronts the money and bills me later. Any system that tried to do this on crypto would just be a glorified way of "being a credit card that accepted ETH (or whatever else) for payment."

To be fair, there are many countries outside of North America that exhibit preference for debit cards, and may even have very low credit card ownership rates. I don't pay with a credit card for my Patreon subscriptions, for example.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by awesomeMilou »

mannyv wrote: post #148

There's a lot of talk about tipping, consumers, etc. Being a Patron (which is what Patreon was trying to do) traditionally meant supporting someone, no matter what their output. If your tortured genius put out one work a year, so be it. If they popped out Sunflowers then even better! There doesn't have to be any quid pro quo at all. It's what we now call Basic Income financed by someone's surplus. Don't overthink it.…

> There doesn't have to be any quid pro quo at all.

I mean yes and no. I feel like I'm getting a fairer deal from some Artists than others that I support. So I admit I sometimes only subscribe for 1-3 months, and then unsubscribe, when Output is low, or variance in content themes is too high. The price then isn't really justified.

Also, for some artists, Patreon serves as an ad-hoc subscription platform. If I'm essentially being promised 3-4 units of "Art" per month, you bet I'm going to unsubscribe if the Artist doesn't post at all, unannounced. It's also not fair to call these "gifts" - I get exclusive access to most of the content on Patreon and with one exception, all Artists advertise it as a service. I'd be different if I could consume their content on another platform for free, but often times I can't.

Tbf though, I still don't have a reliable income, so maybe I'd change my habits once I got that taken care of.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by awesomeMilou »

lolinder wrote: post #126
KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #8

OP missed the elephant in the room. Patreon is the only platform that allows you to launder softcore (nothing explicit from in front of a camera) NSFW content with legitimate payments. There is an incredible amount of erotic artwork, drawings etc. that are sold through Patreon instead of having to resort to niche adult video site payment processors.

That's an interesting fact, but it doesn't seem to be an essential a part of competing with Patreon like having a basic understanding of artists' lives and business models is. The author's goal wasn't to document all the ways in which someone might try to take part of Patreon's business, they're simply documenting a few of the essential elements of a creator funding platform that Patreon competitors have heretofore f…

> Allowing or disallowing specific categories of content is a lower-level business decision than understanding your customers' basic needs.

It's not when your sites majority income comes from a specific theme of posts. Patreon knows this, because they thought of it as a low level decision in the wake of credit card companies NSFW adversity. They then had top pursue other avenues of clearing NSFW content, because their business have tanked. [0]

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/22/patreon-to-roll-out-tools-...

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by polytely »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #155
mannyv wrote: post #148

There's a lot of talk about tipping, consumers, etc. Being a Patron (which is what Patreon was trying to do) traditionally meant supporting someone, no matter what their output. If your tortured genius put out one work a year, so be it. If they popped out Sunflowers then even better! There doesn't have to be any quid pro quo at all. It's what we now call Basic Income financed by someone's surplus. Don't overthink it.…

Almost all succesful creators on Patreon give you benefits for subscribing (early access to content, behind the scenes, etc.), so I don't see how you could possibly convince the IRS that it's a gift.

almost all, for example: I support my mastodon instance admin with like 3 Euro's a month for keeping the place running and well moderated.

I also pay a writer (he goes by Wildbow) a couple of bucks a month, for posting weekly chapters of his webserial.

Both have no relation to rewards, it's just because I love the stuff they create for free and want to support them.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by sebzim4500 »

olah_1 wrote: post #204
sebzim4500 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally people use Monero just to hide the connection between two wallets on BTC/ETH. Either for money laundering or just privacy. I don't see why you'd need it here, where you are purchasing something legal but unpopular with payment processors.

Why would anyone want to avoid the panopticon if what they are doing is legal? Leaving a trail of metadata on everything you do is just not always desirable. In terms of privacy, I don’t see using Monero as different from using Cash.

Sure, I just mean that you don't need to directly do the payment in XMR. You can use monero to hide the provenance of your BTC/ETH/something faster without having to go through the pain of proving an XMR transfer.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by lakomen »

"Attention dumbasses" If you want to be taken seriously don't write like a 12 year old rebelragetard.

I also stopped reading there. Scrolled down, an endless wall of text that served no purpose than for the writer to vent their frustration.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by cultofmetatron »

zztop44 wrote: post #123
twic wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russian government will probably subsidise them to further weaken the West.

Then they’ll be disappointed. Accepting gay stuff does not weaken any country or region.

Getting $country to pander to $minority_population is a pretty universal tactic for subjugating a population.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #146
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more things change, the more they remain the same. Neo-nazis and pornographers, to this day, are still at the forefront of payment shenanigans.

Genuine question, do you use the term pornographer merely descriptively or derogatorily?

Descriptively.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by slikrick »

kapp_in_life wrote: post #140
Raed667 wrote: post #31

Highly relevant video: The Rise (and Fall) of Patreon - Tom Nicholas https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mXyN3-gQwJw

Only got halfway through this video. While it's interesting I find it exhausting how much he singly focuses on the VC financing. This is a classic case of mismanagement by senior management & overly optimistic decisions by the C level staff. Nobody forced them to take on that funding, and clearly it helped them in early stages to grow their company and outcompete the companies with less funding(subbable, etc.) which…

on the contrary, it's completely unsurprising that the literal only critique to be found of the video on HN (a site made by and for VC) to write off the entire video because of one of the errors.

maybe reflect inwards a bit more

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