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Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by idiotsecant »

egypturnash wrote: post #33
kodra wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that "less restrictions on horny stuff" means "more restrictions from payment processors" nowadays. Doubly so if you're a Russian platform like Subscribestar is.

hahahhaa Subscribestar is Russian? Well that's gonna be fun for all the furry artists posting super-gay stuff on there once it gets big enough for the Russian government to notice.

Don't make the mistake of thinking the Russian government actually cares about homosexuality. It's for internal consumption only, for the purposes of establishing a convenient domestic 'other'. If they have to choose between a revenue source and enforcing the morality policies of the state in a way that doesn't interfere with the internal propaganda machine it's clear which option wins.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by idiotsecant »

swaptr wrote: post #125
manchmalscott wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t crypto have a gas fee or something that would cost more than most micropayments to begin with?

not on the lightning network

Let's not start down this road unless we want a detailed discussion of why the lightning network is hopium and fantasy that has fundamental basic routing flaws obvious to anyone who's built anything at scale.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

asddubs wrote: post #98
egypturnash wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subscribestar has successfully pivoted from "Patreon but you can post right-wing propaganda" to "Patreon but with less restrictions on horny stuff". Patreon is slowly but surely becoming more hostile to horny stuff; right now I'm in the middle of going around with their support over horny creators having to provide some additional identity verification through a third-party site that isn't working on my computer or m…

SubscribeStar still features the golden one, an open neo-nazi, as one of their hand picked "success stories" on their frontpage, so I don't believe they really pivoted, if anything they expanded.

The more things change, the more they remain the same. Neo-nazis and pornographers, to this day, are still at the forefront of payment shenanigans.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

zztop44 wrote: post #123
twic wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russian government will probably subsidise them to further weaken the West.

Then they’ll be disappointed. Accepting gay stuff does not weaken any country or region.

…but tricking millions of men into lusting after big booba vixens instead of other humans (of either gender) may.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by dotnet00 »

manchmalscott wrote: post #121
wslh wrote: post #120

I am really interested in the space. A friend has launched https://www.imgrateful.io/ and I think crypto (beyond all criticism that we can do) is an interesting option for tipping and receiving donations without the annoying friction of Paypal(s).

Doesn’t crypto have a gas fee or something that would cost more than most micropayments to begin with?

Depends on the currency, IIRC with Monero the fee is like a tenth or a hundredth of a cent.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by wslh »

manchmalscott wrote: post #121
wslh wrote: post #120

I am really interested in the space. A friend has launched https://www.imgrateful.io/ and I think crypto (beyond all criticism that we can do) is an interesting option for tipping and receiving donations without the annoying friction of Paypal(s).

Doesn’t crypto have a gas fee or something that would cost more than most micropayments to begin with?

There are technologies that does not suffer from the fee issue. Here I don't want to start a crypto war. We can even forget about the crypto charged word and think about stable coins, points and/or tokens that could be changed. I used the example of crypto just to emphasize that the current financial methods are very expensive and compliance crazy to process basic donations to developers and/or other creative endeavours. The typical "the righteous pays for the sinner".

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by mandmandam »

idiotsecant wrote: post #132
swaptr wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not on the lightning network

Let's not start down this road unless we want a detailed discussion of why the lightning network is hopium and fantasy that has fundamental basic routing flaws obvious to anyone who's built anything at scale.

Can we start down the road of block-lattice tech, which has been running fast, safe and free for like seven years now?

It's tiresome hearing about crypto's fees, eco, and mining problems while there's a proven technology that's actually spam resistant and nearly consumer-grade actively working, right now.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by dotnet00 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #50
mattdesl wrote: post #41

Crypto could provide a competitive edge to certain features in Patreon (and Bandcamp). - Instead of 4-7% payment processing fees, it can be effectively zero[1] - Instead of 8-12% fees (or 15% in case of Bandcamp), crypto industry standards tend to be in the 0-5% range. It’s not always clear to me as a creator and patron why such a significant amount of value needs to be captured for a digital asset sale. - Users of t…

Last I checked, NSFW art wasn't currently acceptable, payment processors would refuse to deal with you... so how do the likes of Patreon and OnlyFans managed to get a pass ?

They get a pass by having the right contacts at the payment processors. Unfortunately we still haven't acknowledged that online payment processors are effectively a utility nowadays, so what the processors restrict and how they enforce it is completely arbitrary, and thus the winners and losers they choose are also very arbitrary.

Re: How to compete with Patreon

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Post by kapp_in_life »

Raed667 wrote: post #31

Highly relevant video: The Rise (and Fall) of Patreon - Tom Nicholas https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mXyN3-gQwJw

Only got halfway through this video. While it's interesting I find it exhausting how much he singly focuses on the VC financing. This is a classic case of mismanagement by senior management & overly optimistic decisions by the C level staff. Nobody forced them to take on that funding, and clearly it helped them in early stages to grow their company and outcompete the companies with less funding(subbable, etc.) which he handwaves away.

Honestly this is the reason I generally ignore these types of video essays, the people who make them generally have the most lazy criticisms that always end up pointing to the same boogeymen(VC, capitalism, US, etc.)

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