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Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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Not always. https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/google-thumbnails... > A US court ruled this week that Google's creation and display of thumbnail images does not infringe copyright. It also said that Google was not responsible for the copyright violations of other sites which it frames and links to.

Part of this ruling is about how the images are used -- Fair use -- not just that they were stored in a particular way. If Google was using the smaller versions of the images (thumbnails) in other ways, it could have been infringing. > The Court said that Google did claim fair use, and that whether or not use was fair depended on four factors: the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a c…

My take on copyrights and AI models...

Taking copyrighted material and using it to train a model is not a copyright infringement - it is sufficiently transformative and has a different use than the original images.

Note that AI models can be used for different things. A model trained to identify objects in an image has never had uproar about the output of "squirrel" showing up in the output text.

The model also, as a purely mathematical transformation on the original source material does not get a copyright. If it needs to be protected, trade secrets are the tools to use to protect it. A model is no more copyright worthy than tanking an image and applying `gray = .299 red + .587 green + .114 blue` to it.

The output of a model is ineligible for copyright protection (in the US - and most other places).

The output of a model may fall into being a derivative work of the original content used to train the model.

It is up to the human, with agency in asking the model to generate certain output to be responsible for verifying that it does not infringe upon other works if it is published.

Note that the responsibility of the human publishing the work is not anything new with an AI model. It is the same responsibility if they were to copy something from Stack Overflow or commission a random person on Fiverr... its just that those we've overlooked for a long time - but it is similarly quite possible for the material on those sources to be copyrighted by and/or licensed to some other entity and the human doing the copying into the final product is responsible for any copyright infringements.

Saying "I copied this from Stack Overflow" or "I found this on the web" as a defense is just as good as "Copilot generated this for me" or "Stable diffusion generated this when I asked for a mouse wearing red pants" and represents a similar dereliction on part of the person publishing this content.

Re: Microsoft, OpenAI sued for ChatGPT 'privacy violations'

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> You have a different set of rights than ChatGPT. Gods, no. Where did you get that from?

Are you a human being? A citizen of some country? If so you definitely have a different set of rights than ChatGPT. Those might not be a problem regarding this specific case, but the case can easily be made that it ought to be.

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I don't understand your point. Do you think it makes any difference whether I use my laptop, or a pen, or ChatGPT to violate copyright?

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>Capital primacy is maintained by the capitalist state, i.e. the monopoly on violence. This is literally military might. At least its equitable (based on value of output), ofc there are legacy issues as well. Some demagogue can swoon the masses and take it all if not for capital. That demagogue could be Trump or Stalin. Know the consequences of what you are advocating for.

> At least its equitable (based on value of output), ofc there are legacy issues as well. It's not. By definition, it's based on control of capital. That's why it's called capitalism . In other words, those aren't "legacy" issues; they are literally the system as designed.

That is too simple, people can earn their own capital as well.

Since utopia is impossible, its a choice between:

>Capitalism, where people can typically pull off the american dream in their lifetime.

or

>Let politics determine how much material things you get

The latter seems especially scary if you are familiar with history

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I mean, it ingested all of the content from my blog. Without my permission. It's not a major part of their corpus of data, but still -- I wasn't asked and I don't really care to donate work to large corporations like that. So the technology is cool, but I'm firmly of the stance that they cut corners and trampled peoples' rights to get a product out the door. I wouldn't be entirely unhappy if this iteration of these p…

Your blog which you posted online for anyone to download and read?

Don't get me wrong, this is a grey area where copyright laws and general consensus haven't caught up with new techonology. But if you voluntarily stick something up online with the intent that anyone can read it, it seems a bit mean to then say "wait no you can't do that" if someone finds a way to materially profit off it.

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I mean, it ingested all of the content from my blog. Without my permission. It's not a major part of their corpus of data, but still -- I wasn't asked and I don't really care to donate work to large corporations like that. So the technology is cool, but I'm firmly of the stance that they cut corners and trampled peoples' rights to get a product out the door. I wouldn't be entirely unhappy if this iteration of these p…

One thing I've been thinking about: it's only a matter of time before your friends load an AI assistant on their phone, and it devours every text message you have ever sent to that person, every photo you've shared together, every record of an in-person meeting. This makes me really uncomfortable.

I wanna do that locally with an LLM, fine tune it on my entire sent email history and have it generate auto-responses to most of my emails. :D

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I've answered this before. The container revolution split some of the resulting profits with those whose livelihoods were destroyed, the longshoremen. "You build a dam that destroys 10000 homes, who should reap the profits?"

It's a good answer, but it raises further questions: • Should we be destroying people's homes to build dams without their consent? • In general, are people being compensated when these things happen to them? i.e., while it might be nice, does this actually happen ? The Luddites (the real ones, not the mythological bastardisation of them) continue to be sympathetic characters.

> • In general, are people being compensated when these things happen to them? i.e., while it might be nice, does this actually happen?

The famous: "it depends" :-)

AI most likely falls under: "they should be", IMHO.

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>use reddit anon.... Read, yes - post no. And - you can no longer create an account that is not tied to an email...

OpenAI didn't have access to every poster's email when they crawled reddit. If you're making posts or have an account name that are easily tied back to your personal identity, that's on you. But you could make an account with any random username you wanted, that keeps you anonymous as far as OpenAI is concerned.

My point was only that 17 years ago - and for more than a decade, reddit required no email address as a requisite to create an account... so it was truly anon... then they tie all (new) accounts to emails now - which makes it a trivial click for survelleince to ID your reddit account...

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Last I checked I can legally enter any bookstore with copyrighted books, pick up a book, and read it. And then tell anyone what I read. I can't go write and commercialize what I learnt directly, but I'm not breaking the law by quickly seeing how some book I didn't buy ends so I can talk about it at a party - and then everyone knows how it ends which might affect whether they want to buy said book and upset the author…

Maybe it would be useful what "tell anyone what I read" means. Because if you mean 1 to some in a room, then most likely. If you use any type of broadcasting then most definitely no. Try reading outloud a script from a recent movie on twitch/youtube/radio/tv and whether it gets DMCA'd or not. Same for books, songs I guess... not? But not sure.

I just mean I can socialize and talk about it without the police telling me that's illegal because I didn't pay to be allowed to talk about said plot points

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> You have a different set of rights than ChatGPT. Gods, no. Where did you get that from?

Are you a human being? A citizen of some country? If so you definitely have a different set of rights than ChatGPT. Those might not be a problem regarding this specific case, but the case can easily be made that it ought to be.

I don't think ChatGPT has any rights yet... And a person using it has the exact same rights as someone not using it.

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This is a fantastic point. I can legally go pick up any strictly copyrighted book at a store and read parts of it for free which I will then have learnt and have in my brain to share with to anyone else. If I happen to have a superintelligent brain I can potentially gain a lot more and make a lot more inferences from this one outing and consequently add a lot of value to others I share my info to. But telling me it i…

If you go read a book, memorize it, write it down later in a substantively similar form, and share it freely or sell it — yes, you might get into copyright trouble. It has happened before and it is at best a tricky gray area. If you pick up a book and learn a fact, then yeah, you’re allowed to share that fact. It’s weird that this topic keeps devolving into a form of “so what, it’s illegal for me to learn things?” Be…

Everything ChatGPT seems gray area and might which is probably why we are where we are.
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