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Fedora. Boot stick, select the drive you want to install to, click install.
Why would I choose Fedora over Ubuntu?
There's also Linux Mint and Debian if you're hell bent on apt. They usually work right out of the box like Ubuntu does.
Just a reminder to everybody, Debian 12 is about to release in 2 days. A few years ago I moved back from Ubuntu to Debian and couldn't be happier.
I have a devuan desktop, but it somehow self-nuked its grub. I really, really dislike systemd, but the other desktop is a manjaro setup. It was stable for a while, but now something with logind (which is somehow related to systemd) broke. The one reason I switched to manjaro is that the machine is shared between kids and two parents, and I wanted to be able to switch accounts from the screensaver prompt. That routine…
Systemd was kind of a problem many many years ago while it was a new thing and still barely tested, but now it's mostly stable. Don't let your past experience impair your judgement of how things are in 2023. Everybody putting money on Linux is on systemd.
Just a reminder to everybody, Debian 12 is about to release in 2 days. A few years ago I moved back from Ubuntu to Debian and couldn't be happier.
How do you deal with grossly outdated software on Debian Desktop?
Also, things just work. There's no application that I need that needs to be absolutely using the latest version. The only apps I can think of that require this auto-update themselves, like Steam and Bitwarden (for which I use an AppImage).
I don't want snaps anywhere. Definitely not on the server (ever looked how much RAM it takes on a machine with 512MB - 1GB of RAM?) and also not on the desktop. I don't have to optimise my machine to get the calculator run within 1-2 seconds, this is just bad by design and there is no excuse. They are an abomination or workaround for problems in OS library packaging (& manager) and OS security concepts. If snaps are…
> If snaps are so cool why are there no similar concepts in other famous major desktops (even non Linux)? APKs are pretty much the Android equivalent. In both cases the key features are sandboxing and bundling of dependencies. The stores also work roughly equivalently - like with snaps you can install an APK without a store, and that mechanism is what alternative stores use, but for full integration there's really ju…
And sideloading. I prefer to sideload when possible.
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When your browser is shipped via a snap and is 2 versions out of date because the update mechanism sucks and has been failing silently for over a month, it makes a difference. There's my personal anecdote.
I like the security/privacy promises of options like snaps. It seems like other issues, like file sizes, aren’t the worst. And getting it to match your os options seems like a solvable problem. Could somebody explain why they hate these systems?
> My daily driver is a middle-aged Dell laptop, it’s about five years old but because I invested in the highest spec I could at the time, with an i7 of the day and 16 gigabytes of memory it’s still a contender. I like how they need to defend themselves for using a 5 year old laptop.
What? A top spec 5 year old (2018) laptop should be plenty fast for most common desktop use. I have a 2016 Dell latitude laying around with Debian 11 on it. It is plenty fast for most things. Even running virtual machines in virtual box with gaming (mostly older Windows games I run in a WinXP VM)
Heck, a medium-spec 20 year old computer is plenty fast for common desktop use.
WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) = Ubuntu, right? Is the user experience under it better?
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Sounds like FreeBSD would suit you best honestly.
Heard that before, I am just worried about hardware support, I have to admit. I really am not keen on manually downloading and loading kernel drivers. :( And I plan to start installing stuff on fairly random old laptops. Do you have any extended experience with installing FreeBSD on all sorts of machines?
The hardware support thing made me nervous at first, but I don't expect it to be a major issue. We'll see.
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> If snaps are so cool why are there no similar concepts in other famous major desktops (even non Linux)? APKs are pretty much the Android equivalent. In both cases the key features are sandboxing and bundling of dependencies. The stores also work roughly equivalently - like with snaps you can install an APK without a store, and that mechanism is what alternative stores use, but for full integration there's really ju…
> there's really just one: the Google Play Store. And sideloading. I prefer to sideload when possible.
I will never not think of Manjaro as a clown show after this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/31yayt/manjaro_forgo... https://i.imgur.com/qV7QrQB.png
