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San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by tbrockman »

swalling wrote: post #166
tbrockman wrote: post #152

Off-topic, but these kind of conversations based on anec-data pop up here and in my social circles quite a bit, but it seems like they're often pretty sparse as far as the quantitative side of things are concerned. Does anyone know what the actual data suggests here? Are there any projects that make this data more discoverable and consumable for regular people, so that we can all have more well-informed discussions (…

The actual data is that SF has unusually higher rates of property crime compared to other major cities. https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/fixing-san-francis...

Thanks for this! This has been really great to look through. Homelessness in the city consistently increasing definitely matches my perception. Interesting that motor vehicle theft in the city continued to stay so high even after the first wave of the pandemic.

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scoofy wrote: post #168
vasco wrote: post #105

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> The beatings shall continue until morale improves Sure beatings don't improve morale, but since we're not talking about improving the morale of thieves, but rather about making theft a losing proposition, I think the point is not as invalid as you frame it. Unless your point is that there's no advantage in creating consequences for crime because you don't think negative consequences have a deterring effect, which i…

We're talking about people looking at $1,500+/month rent with multiple roommates... if they're lucky, for the rest of their lives. That is not offering people a future. There is no viable path to prosperity. There is no path for lower-class folks to achieve a private residence with a spouse. When these people increase productivity, rents will capture that wealth. Why should people play by these rules? A tiny condo in…

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Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by Domenic_S »

mlsu wrote: post #141
AlbertCory wrote: post #53

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Do a little research. If you move in CA and you're over 55, you can now keep your property tax bill. Previously it was only certain counties that honored that; now it's all of them. https://www.financialplannerla.com/transfer-california-prope... > All because they happened to have bought a home before this law passed. Again, do some research. Prop 13 passed in 1978, 45 years ago. The number of current homeowners who…

27% of Californians are over 55. That means the majority do not get to have the benefit of keeping their tax bill when they move. To compound that, the most dynamic economic growth probably comes from under-55s moving, not over-55s -- new jobs, new opportunities, start a family, etc. Obviously it's good if it's easy for old people to move, but the economic value of a young family being able to move closer to a high p…

> Prop 13 freezes your tax rate when you purchase the property.

Factually wrong. Prop 13 limits your tax increase to 2% per year.

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by tootie »

wonderwonder wrote: post #219
tootie wrote: post #215

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You're piling speculation on speculation. Broken Windows has never held up to scrutiny. Neely served jail time for his assault charges and was known to be severely mentally ill. Witnesses also all confirmed he did not attack anyone on the train. DAs and police do their jobs appropriately. You sound like a conservative media bubble denizen who has never been near a city.

"You sound like a conservative media bubble denizen who has never been near a city." :) voted Dem my entire life (mid 40s) Just realized it doesn't make sense to do so anymore so switched sides a couple years ago. I've lived and worked downtown in a large city for a decade. Drive past addicts every day collapsed in the street that should be in jail for their own benefit and that of others. You wont admit it but if th…

Honestly I just don't believe you. American Republicans have absolutely no answers for anything and are unequivocally harming society in lots of measurable ways. We can stamp out crime tomorrow, but we're approaching a climate apocalypse and they are cheering it on. Putting addicts in jail is less effective than treatment. Every country in the civilized world has less crime than we do and they did it with more socialism, not more libertarianism. Putting the Sacklers in jail is something I'd be on board with. That and banning any and all private gun ownership.

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Post by wonderwonder »

tootie wrote: post #224
wonderwonder wrote: post #219

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"You sound like a conservative media bubble denizen who has never been near a city." :) voted Dem my entire life (mid 40s) Just realized it doesn't make sense to do so anymore so switched sides a couple years ago. I've lived and worked downtown in a large city for a decade. Drive past addicts every day collapsed in the street that should be in jail for their own benefit and that of others. You wont admit it but if th…

Honestly I just don't believe you. American Republicans have absolutely no answers for anything and are unequivocally harming society in lots of measurable ways. We can stamp out crime tomorrow, but we're approaching a climate apocalypse and they are cheering it on. Putting addicts in jail is less effective than treatment. Every country in the civilized world has less crime than we do and they did it with more social…

Cool :) Every single one of those countries is a vassal to the united states, free to experiment because they are kept safe under our umbrella. Even Finland and Sweden are desperate for our protection.

As far as climate change, unless you have a way to force China and all emerging economies to sabotage their own economic development then any changes you make is a puppet show.

Addicts? Whatever happened to personal responsibility? It's not my job to give second chances to violent addicts that can't help themselves.

As far as gun control you can't even get illegal guns away from criminals, confiscating firearms from legal owners would just leave them vulnerable.

All cities with the highest homicide rates have Dem mayors. How's that working out for them?

Re: San Francisco: An Elitist Bubble Ignoring a Crime Epidemic?

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Post by mlsu »

Domenic_S wrote: post #223
mlsu wrote: post #141

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27% of Californians are over 55. That means the majority do not get to have the benefit of keeping their tax bill when they move. To compound that, the most dynamic economic growth probably comes from under-55s moving, not over-55s -- new jobs, new opportunities, start a family, etc. Obviously it's good if it's easy for old people to move, but the economic value of a young family being able to move closer to a high p…

> Prop 13 freezes your tax rate when you purchase the property. Factually wrong. Prop 13 limits your tax increase to 2% per year.

OK. Perhaps freezes is the wrong word.

Turns it into molasses? Coagulates it? Congeals it?

Property tax on a 10 year home might be half of what it should be. Property tax on a 20 year home might be a quarter. I sure would love a 75% discount on my income taxes!

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Post by chucksta »

grumple wrote: post #172
chucksta wrote: post #124

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Kensington is hardly an example of the city, it was a mess before the pandemic. Drug epidemic is bad but that's all cherry picked, dude even said it https://youtu.be/nl0fDm7HSQ0?t=169 "one block is clean, the next isn't"

As someone who lives in Olde Kensington, that means half the blocks are bad. There are drug addicts, stick up kids, and insane people wandering every block throughout most of the city. The fact that I have to walk a few blocks to see 1000 zombies pass by doesn't mean it's not a problem that affects me. Go onto any of the main thoroughfares in Philly, even in upscale center city, and you'll see lots of addicts. It is…

I live in Philly too been here ~10+ years at this point. Not in Kensington though

>There are drug addicts, stick up kids, and insane people wandering every block throughout most of the city

Simply not true. Common its not that bad. Does it happen? Yes. Pervasive and constant through the city? No.

It is overblown in the sense that the rest of the city does not look like that, or present the same risk.

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Post by grumple »

chucksta wrote: post #227
grumple wrote: post #172

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As someone who lives in Olde Kensington, that means half the blocks are bad. There are drug addicts, stick up kids, and insane people wandering every block throughout most of the city. The fact that I have to walk a few blocks to see 1000 zombies pass by doesn't mean it's not a problem that affects me. Go onto any of the main thoroughfares in Philly, even in upscale center city, and you'll see lots of addicts. It is…

I live in Philly too been here ~10+ years at this point. Not in Kensington though >There are drug addicts, stick up kids, and insane people wandering every block throughout most of the city Simply not true. Common its not that bad. Does it happen? Yes. Pervasive and constant through the city? No. It is overblown in the sense that the rest of the city does not look like that, or present the same risk.

I was downtown for 5 minutes around 19th and Market the other day, waiting at a truck for some halal food, and saw both the notorious screaming woman (who releases a bloodcurdling scream every 30 seconds or so that can be heard for blocks around) and a woman who had painted herself in her own feces.

At every major intersection near me there are 1 to 5 heroin addicts asking for money from cars passing by on a daily basis. Go drive down Delaware Ave. Drive up Aramingo. Drive up Market. Drive up University Ave. Drive up Girard. You'll see them on every major street, right now. I'm a few blocks away form the Girard L stop and another methadone clinic. In either direction on Girard, I'll see not only half a dozen wandering addicts at any given time, but a group of 20-30 at Girard and Front is there basically all day every day, another dozen hang out by the clinic at 8th, there's usually more intermittently around the health clinic on Girard. To get to these gathering points, they naturally walk through other residential areas. I find the occasional addict passed out on bench-like structures throughout my neighborhood on a regular basis.

I walked with some friends to dinner last night (about a 10 minute walk on Girard and in Nolibs) and we saw multiple heroin addicts and someone especially eccentric camping outside the restaurant we went to. I consider multiple addicts and insane people on any short walk through any major thoroughfare to be a pervasive problem.

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Post by Domenic_S »

mlsu wrote: post #226
Domenic_S wrote: post #223

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> Prop 13 freezes your tax rate when you purchase the property. Factually wrong. Prop 13 limits your tax increase to 2% per year.

OK. Perhaps freezes is the wrong word. Turns it into molasses? Coagulates it? Congeals it? Property tax on a 10 year home might be half of what it should be. Property tax on a 20 year home might be a quarter. I sure would love a 75% discount on my income taxes!

You'll have one in 20 years!
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