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Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by blowski »

toyg wrote: post #202
dagmx wrote: post #11

Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…

The iPad is not an entry point to the ecosystem; the difference with Macs in terms of modality of use is too stark. The Macs are simply meant to eventually go away. From the perspective of Apple, they are a legacy coccyx. For them the iPad, where nothing is replaceable and Apple is in full control of content distribution, is the superior form of computing.

Why would Apple only sell iPads when they can sell iPads + Macs?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by throw_m239339 »

clint wrote: post #167

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> while _actual_ creative professionals will more than willingly pay $5/mo and love every minute of it.

I doubt that:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/30/23662000/waves-audio-engi...

> Music producers revolted against an app’s subscription scheme — and won

Actual Music producers hate subscription schemes.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by quijoteuniv »

jc_811 wrote: post #186
quijoteuniv wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that any piece of gear enables artist is one of the biggest lies we have been sold. True Artist will use any tool at their reach to do art. In terms of music the level is so high already that is irrelevant. Sound is not music.

Does a piano player relying on a piano not count as “gear enabling an artist”? If there’s no piano does that true artist start playing a napkin instead because it’s within their reach?

You will be surprised when you find out how many amazing piano players have practice in a piece of wood/cardboard with the keys drawn/carved

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mattl »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #160

This is great, but why not just have Garage Band work the same / be the same on both platforms? I'm a PC user; few years ago I realized how great iPad GarageBand was for playing around. Like an idiot, I literally purchased a used MacBook so I can edit my iPad travelling doodles at home with big screen as well, only to realize that they are different software with different capabilities and you cannot seamlessly copy…

Is iPad GarageBand different from iPhone GarageBand? Or are they the same app?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by thomastjeffery »

basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

EDIT: I misread: it's $5 per month not per day.

The fact that the surrounding market sucks does not make this intrinsically better.

It's the same situation as rent, except that a DAW is not the living necessity that a home is.

If the best deal you can get is to buy someone lunch every day, that's still prohibitive enough to price a lot of people out of the digital music scene. That's terrible for the market of creativity.

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Post by _joel »

m3kw9 wrote: post #77
silveira wrote: post #14

Subscription. I'm out. I already paid for these softwares on Mac and I don't get even a discount in the price. I was expecting some kind of upgrade option.

Why would you want to use iPad version if you already using it for Mac? It’s a big pain due to the file system and storage limitations. The ipad version is aimed more at non professional use but still giving them professional features. Would never touch ipad version, totally different use case. You won’t see Hollywood types saying I’m gonna use this because, because it’s touch screen

Why wouldn't you, very similar workflow and more portable. For sketching ideas you don't need multi terrabyte Kontakt plugins.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by dangus »

NickC25 wrote: post #28

Neat....although sad that it's via a subscription model, rather than buying the program outright. That said, what's the point of this? Everyone works off laptops already, even people new to A/V production. Especially in the audio world, laptops are just so much more convenient because you can host 3rd party plugins and other stuff like sample libraries. Can't do that on an iPad, can you?

> Everyone works off laptops already

I doubt the truth of this statement, especially for younger people. When you look at iPad revenue compared to Mac revenue it's plainly obvious that Apple sells more iPads than Macs.

I subscribe to a YouTube vlog where the creator is seen editing their videos on an iPad, not a laptop or desktop computer.

I learned how to get work done on a personal computer because my parents had a family personal computer. There were no tablets or smartphones.

That's not how kids today are growing up: they're growing up with tablets and phones, and even their schools are mostly providing tablets for schoolwork.

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Post by _joel »

jcpst wrote: post #69
brookst wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd much rather pay $50/year and get perpetual updates than the old price of $199 one time. Yes, I'd rather pay $5 one time and get free updates forever, but I just can't see complaining about $4/month for anything I get ongoing value from.

Interesting- I'd much rather pay the perpetual fee. At home, I run a 13 year old Mac Mini in my studio. Everything DAW related on it still works, and it's all compatible with each other. This is quite common in many studios I've worked in. It's not unusual to be running 10-15+ year old machines. Everything is updated as far as it's ever going to go on that hardware. I do like the Jetbrains model where there is a perp…

Do you have an audio interface and is it the same one you started with? Does it still get driver updates ooi?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by rocketbop »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #161
basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

I see you missed the whole "Logic Pro costs $499" era and the earth shattering news when Apple lowered the price to $199. And far too many DAW creators refuse to learn that lesson, instead going "you can have a DAW for $199 but you only get three and a half tracks, only one can be a plugin, and your audio files must be in 17 bit RIFF wave with the bytes in reverse order. If you want something better, pay us more".

Logic used to cost far more than that. When Logic 6 came out it sold for $999 and was a great deal because they’d finally bundled all the plugins and synths in to one package. To buy the whole package before than was thousands.

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Post by quijoteuniv »

carlmr wrote: post #175
quijoteuniv wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that any piece of gear enables artist is one of the biggest lies we have been sold. True Artist will use any tool at their reach to do art. In terms of music the level is so high already that is irrelevant. Sound is not music.

A DAW is near essential for making EDM. It's actually quite cheap compared to the instruments you need for other music styles. Sure you can make EDM with more limited means, but a DAW opens up basically everything.

And many think that for art more options is better, however the greatest works were done with huge limitations. Beatles 4 track, Bladerunner no CGI to name 2.
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