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Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by dagmx »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #147
jahnu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As developers of professional audio plugins this is very exciting for us. The horsepower is there and the touch interface allows for some really cool possibilities. We already enjoy using AUM and Cubasis, but will be very interested to see if support for pro hardware improves now on iPad.

The lack of AU on Windows, and the lack of VST on any mobile device, is done more to hold back DAW than anything else.

Most plug-ins are available as multiple formats though. Is it really that much of a friction point?

Pro Tools has seen huge success despite being the only major user of RTAS/AAX for example.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jonhohle »

ericzawo wrote: post #156

A subscription for Logic is nuts. It's already $300 software for the Mac. I would be fine paying another one-time fee if it meant I had it forever on my iPad. It really is stellar software, as evidenced by it's two-decade presence in the industry, but to move to subscription feels very... un-Apple (at least in this Professional Media Software context).

iPads have an archival problem already, and this just exacerbated it.

If I’m a studio and want to throw a project into a vault somewhere with hopes of retrieving it in a decade, the iPadOS/iOS software model makes it impossible to get back to a specific configuration without freezing a specific device.

Now throwing a subscriptionmm no on top of it, this is at best good for throw away projects that are done, pushed out, and never looked at again (from an editing perspective).

This is really mind boggling.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by anaganisk »

g105b wrote: post #150
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #148

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$5/mo for top of the line software that will continue to get updates + new features + bug fixes is "really disappointing"?

Yes. The software will not receive updates forever. The Ipad will not receive updates forever. One day, this software will force the user to buy more Apple devices to continue using it.

Don't u just end the subscription at that point? What am I missing.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jahnu »

jscheel wrote: post #158
nkozyra wrote: post #126

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Logic has been the most intuitive DAW I've used, with Ableton up there but way too busy visually. Cubase/Cubasis has always been riddled with bugs. It was my DAW for two different stints and I loved a lot about it but had to abandon because it wasn't reliable.

I absolutely love Ableton for all my electronic work. Whenever I am composing with virtual instruments (Kontakt, etc) though, Cubase just works better for me (even though it is a beast).

Big fan of Ableton for my own electronic music jamming too.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by carlmr »

quijoteuniv wrote: post #168
dagmx wrote: post #11

Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…

The idea that any piece of gear enables artist is one of the biggest lies we have been sold. True Artist will use any tool at their reach to do art. In terms of music the level is so high already that is irrelevant. Sound is not music.

A DAW is near essential for making EDM. It's actually quite cheap compared to the instruments you need for other music styles.

Sure you can make EDM with more limited means, but a DAW opens up basically everything.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by freedomben »

mvanbaak wrote: post #37
dbspin wrote: post #26

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It's a problem for anyone trying to give a presentation in an educational or office environment - local sound solutions on projectors in small offices and small classrooms are often (probably 70% of the time in my experience) non functional.

iPad speakers in a classroom is not going to cut it, they are nowhere near powerful enough. in an office environment you can use the tv audio, or the video conferencing unit (in my experience even a 10man shop has those). again, for the very small percentage of people that fall outside of the 'masses' it is a problem, and I totally understand that. But none of the big brands care about the use cases that are not the…

Small and some medium-sized classrooms it absolutely does cut it. If you're playing for a theatre-sized college classroom of course it wouldn't.

But also, why does that matter? If the speakers don't work (i.e. cannot be engaged while connected to a projector) but won't cut it for the classroom, why is that better than if they can work but aren't loud enough? At least in the latter situation the user has the option and can make a human judgment. The user is a hell of a lot more qualified in that situation than some dev/PM at Apple who thinks they always know better than the user.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by pjmlp »

jbverschoor wrote: post #145
silveira wrote: post #14

Subscription. I'm out. I already paid for these softwares on Mac and I don't get even a discount in the price. I was expecting some kind of upgrade option.

Sure.. who's gonna pay for updates? I don't understand how people on HN can devalue their own profession. By your reasoning, once an application has been released, you're out of a job. Oh hey.. isn't that the current market!

I also don't get it, everyone likes to get paid while refusing to pay for the work of others.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jonhohle »

rchaud wrote: post #140
rajbot wrote: post #135

Although I understand the reasoning, I’m sad to see the move to subscription pricing. I bought Final Cut and Logic a long time ago in the Mac App Store, and now my kids get to use them through Family Sharing. One of them has written hundreds of songs in Logic and published an album. The one-time purchase of Final Cut and Logic with Family Sharing and a lifetime of upgrades has been such an unbelievable value for such…

I'm against subscriptions generally, but $50/yr is significantly cheaper than the $299 for Final Cut Pro X or whatever it is they offered previously.

The cost may be cheaper over $time_period (debatable), but in one case you have fully functional software and in the other you have nothing.

I know Adobe has “proven” pros will take subscription software and like it, but for every day users who like to mess around now and then, I have no interest in a perpetual subscription.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by Karunamon »

jbverschoor wrote: post #145
silveira wrote: post #14

Subscription. I'm out. I already paid for these softwares on Mac and I don't get even a discount in the price. I was expecting some kind of upgrade option.

Sure.. who's gonna pay for updates? I don't understand how people on HN can devalue their own profession. By your reasoning, once an application has been released, you're out of a job. Oh hey.. isn't that the current market!

Let's ask the few decades of software developers/publishing houses who managed to make respectable incomes without requiring this subscription rent seeking nonsense.

This is Apple we are talking about, this is greed-based.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by EnigmaCurry »

anaganisk wrote: post #173
g105b wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The software will not receive updates forever. The Ipad will not receive updates forever. One day, this software will force the user to buy more Apple devices to continue using it.

Don't u just end the subscription at that point? What am I missing.

Ownership.
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