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UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by marcosdumay »

illiac786 wrote: post #170
pjc50 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not "in the wild"; they were arrested in the planning stages, and there is no evidence that at any point they successfully produced TATP let alone getting any of their components through security or whether it would have worked on a plane. That was one group, thirteen years ago, and since then everyone is limited to 100ml? Forever?

Anyway, you’re allowed 10 times 100mL, in separate containers. You can easily blow up an airplane with a liter of the right liquid…

> You can easily blow up an airplane with a liter of the right liquid

Yeah... The thing is that you can't. Not easily.

You can't do much with a liter of some liquid that won't happen by chance on the way to the airport. And you can't change the liquid a lot while on the plane. You can barely fit seated there.

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Post by marcosdumay »

markus92 wrote: post #160
ornornor wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had cheese confiscated in Brussels “because we can’t tell the difference with C4 on the machine” I suspect they just fancied a nice lunch. Meanwhile I’ve flown a few times with a forgotten pocket knife in my carry on and more than 100mL of water. Nobody died and the plane landed safely at destination.

That's not just Brussels, cheese really does show up as C4 on the x-rays!

How nitrogen-rich is that cheese?

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Post by throwawaymobule »

rottingchris wrote: post #217
pavlov wrote: post #114

The Helsinki airport eliminated the liquid rule last year. It also applies to electronics, they can stay in the bag. And of course shoes stay on (European airports never did this particular bit of post-9/11 security theatre). After experiencing how easy it can be, traveling from the US feels like a special hell with the multi-stage papers checks and endless lines and shoeless security dances.

Many European countries require taking your shoes off. At the very least, I have had to do it every single time at multiple UK and Polish airports in the last couple of years.

I've gotten in the habit of doing it the last couple of years as a matter of course, since I wear steel-toed shoes so often. Doubt they'd set the metal detector off, but I'd rather not check.

Would reccommend to anyone who moves servers around frequently.

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Post by TrackerFF »

bagels wrote: post #14

First time I've seen a hint at why liquids were banned besides vague references to explosives: British police said they had foiled a plot to blow up as many as 10 planes using explosives hidden in drinks.

Here's a 71 min documentary on the case, for those curious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJFiqy35KM

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Post by throwawaymobule »

rwmj wrote: post #81
beyondcompute wrote: post #64

Is London City a busy airport?

Not really. Apparently it is the 5th busiest airport in the London area with 4.5 million passengers (2017) according to Wikipedia. Compared to 61 million for Heathrow. It's a peculiar airport in general because it's right in the middle of the old docklands on a bit of reclaimed land and only relatively small jets can land there. Unlike the other London airports which are all miles outside central London and serve all…

It's also a pretty good setup for flying a plane with a light load of fuel over to Shannon where the passangers can do US immigration checks while the same plane gets fully fueled. I think BA used to do this.

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Post by jezzarax »

mr_mitm wrote: post #181
superhuzza wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In Berlin at BER I had someone from security straight up tell me that water being sold at a premium after security, with a profit for the airport shops that pay hefty rents, is the only reason for keeping up the 100ml liquids rule." This logic kind of falls apart when you think about it for a minute and: 1. Most airports have water fountains 2. Food and snacks are allowed through security. If it's all a conspiracy t…

> 1. Most airports have water fountains Not in Germany

Munich airport T2 has water fountains for at least the last 2 years

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Post by dzhiurgis »

locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

We had 7 policemen with rifles and machine guns go thru entire suitcase of 2yo's doodles because I've put my bluetooth speaker there.

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Post by dizhn »

pavlov wrote: post #114

The Helsinki airport eliminated the liquid rule last year. It also applies to electronics, they can stay in the bag. And of course shoes stay on (European airports never did this particular bit of post-9/11 security theatre). After experiencing how easy it can be, traveling from the US feels like a special hell with the multi-stage papers checks and endless lines and shoeless security dances.

Few months ago at Amsterdam's Airport security sakd I could keep the water. I was mad at myself for being so happy about it.

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Post by bagels »

adwww wrote: post #58
bagels wrote: post #14

First time I've seen a hint at why liquids were banned besides vague references to explosives: British police said they had foiled a plot to blow up as many as 10 planes using explosives hidden in drinks.

I think it was quite a developed plot, and led to several high profile trials and convictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_pl...

Also, the liquid was apparently high concentration hydrogen peroxide, which is highly reactive, and relatively easy to ignite with a catalyst.

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Post by hobo_in_library »

HopenHeyHi wrote: post #150
zidad wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't associate with trouble makers, that's your racist bias. I work with palestinian students and software developers.

It is a degrees of separation thing. Logically derived and proven to be effective. Very hard to argue with the last part. I understand how someone who has been inconvienced might perceive it differently but that in and of itself is by design and "priced in" as the goal is not to make 100% of travelers feel good but rather keep 100% of travelers safe.

Brilliant

All policies are fine as long as they only hurt Arabs and Arab-sympathizers (which are just synonyms for "terrorist").

Thank goodness policies like these never hurt Jews when applied in reverse.

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