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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by omgomgomgomg »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #104
danielvaughn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have much knowledge around AI, but from what I can tell, it's dependent on inputs from across the web right? If so, then as the use of ChatGPT grows, it'll slowly get consumed back into the model. With enough iterations, it will start to veer more and more away from recognizable human speech/thought, like a recursive game of telephone. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how ML works, which very well may b…

Unless it only reconsumes the “good” content. In other words, the stuff that got good reactions from humans. In which case, it will get better, not worse, at least at generating clickbait. But at least it will be coherent clickbait.

It will never be able to detect sarcasm amd satire and this will contribute greatly to the degradation of content quality , I think.

This will not work, its too soon.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by v3ss0n »

jsemrau wrote: post #132
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

What is content? Is content entertainment? If you look at entertainment we will soon be living in world where short clips can be autogenerated and personalized based on keywords and criteria. Stable Diffusion provides already good enough images to cover a lot of visual content online. If you look at image shares sites for the purpose of entertainment like Imgur, you will also notice that a large portion of the viral…

ChatGpt generated comment,?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by neffy »

danielvaughn wrote: post #80
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

I don't have much knowledge around AI, but from what I can tell, it's dependent on inputs from across the web right? If so, then as the use of ChatGPT grows, it'll slowly get consumed back into the model. With enough iterations, it will start to veer more and more away from recognizable human speech/thought, like a recursive game of telephone. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how ML works, which very well may b…

ChatGPT itself is being trained on curated content, it is clearly not trained on unscreened internet sites - this is easy enough to establish if you ask it questions around hot topic issues in the conspiracy groups - it gets the correct mainstream answer.

I suspect we will see the rise of both groups of machines, curated A.I.s and A.I.s just trained on anything, which should be entertaining.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by pleb_nz »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Absolutely, it's also going to get much more echo chambered and biased by corporate and political motivations.

And I'm not looking forward to a swathe of AI generated songs pumped into the charts and streaming services at potentially lots of songs per second.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by altdataseller »

isthisthingon99 wrote: post #179
altdataseller wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or just not play the game. If it's already this popular/hyped, it means it's too late to create a product and profit from it. Find the next big thing before it's overhyped

If you did not buy Tesla at the absolute bottom in 2000-whatever, could you still have been a multi-millionaire? So why do you need to "be first"?

You are comparing 2 different things. Buying a stock is instant. Starting a startup takes years and incumbents already have the same advantage as you. Also, you can sell a stock whenever - liquidity is easy. You can't just throw your hands up and give up a startup that easily, especially if you take funding.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by emporas »

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

Social graphs will enable trust between people, just like governments are doing right now. Any person not included in the graph and shown up in your newsfeed is an illegal troll. The only difference with automated electronic governments and physical governments is that we can have as many electronic governments as we like, a million of them.

One other feature of LLMs is that they will enable people to create as many dialects of a language as they like, english, greek, french whatever. So it is very possible that 100.000 different dialects are going to pop up in English alone, 10.000 dialects in Greek and so on. That will supercharge progress by giving anyone as much free speech as they like. Actually it makes me very sad when i listen to young people speak the very same dialect of a language as their parents.

So we are heading for the internet of one million governments and one million languages. The best time ever to be alive.

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Post by dcow »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Sounds like the current web. What's the difference?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by 99_00 »

dcow wrote: post #227
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Sounds like the current web. What's the difference?

Better grammar and spelling.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by px43 »

burlesona wrote: post #181
px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

In practice this is how social networks already work - and it turns out that most people treat "like" and "trust" as equivalent. So you get information filter bubbles where people are basically living in separate realities. In theory there was a time in the past where there was such a thing as a generally "trusted" expert, and it was possible for the rest of us to find and learn from such experts. But the experts are…

Yes, I think a lot of work needs to be done around content labeling. Getting away from simple up/down, and labeling content that you think is funny, spammy, insightful, trusted, etc. I don't think any centralized platform has gotten the mechanics quite right on this, but I think we're getting closer. Furthermore, in a world where everyone owns their own social graph, and carries it with them on every site they visit, we don't need to rebuild our networks every time new platforms emerge.

This is another key advantage of web3 social networks vs web2. You own your identity, you own your social graph, and you can use it to automatically curate content on your own without relying on some third party to do it. A third party that might otherwise inject your feed with ads, or "high engagement" content to keep you clicking and swiping.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by valenterry »

shadowgovt wrote: post #220
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

One solution is pretty simple: pedigree. Divide up the 'net into trusted and untrusted sources. Make the trust ratings public. Use search tools and corpuses such as the Google Books dataset to source "knowledge" back to pre-Internet roots, when necessary. In short: bring academic reputation back and bring it back hard. It will make for a more elitist web, but given that even without ChatGPT we've had a problem with w…

That means anonymously posting on stackoverflow will be gone...
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