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Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by CamperBob2 »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #187
Lutger wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only hope a very aggressive competitor emerges that disrupts Deere out of existence. Sometimes I wonder why groups such as farmers dont band together to form a collective which can protect them against such predatory companies.

Deere already has plenty of competitors. CNH taken as a whole is approximately the same size if you look at the global market. Farmers are not prisoners of Deere. They can just buy another brand.

Not really true, given Deere's patent portfolio.

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Post by mattpallissard »

mulmen wrote: post #13

Deere’s position on right to repair is heartbreaking to me. I paid for books (and beer) in college as a truck driver and mechanic for a custom harvest operation. We ran Deere 6602 combines from the 1970s, in the early 2000s. Deere’s tagline was “nothing runs like a Deere” but in my experience it was more like “nothing can be made to run like a Deere”. We spent a lot of time on maintenance but very little on repairs.…

Unless it's red leave it in the shed.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

revolvingocelot wrote: post #157
kwhitefoot wrote: post #123

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> trying to boycott Chinese made goods, regardless the cost. I'm in the position to be able to do that Really? Did you post your comment by carrier pigeon?

I think the "wherever possible" is implied. Where does this kind of cheap-shot snark end? Shall we next post the We Should Improve Society Somewhat comic? ...besides, maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK.

> maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK.

That is connected to a router made in China. And the keyboard and display, where were they made? My point is that it is pretty much unachievable and your "wherever possible" is just a get out of jail free card. Also it isn't a particularly laudable aim if we scale it up to the whole of society. We need the various countries in the world to be interdependent, we need China to need to sell to us.

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Post by [deleted] »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #223
revolvingocelot wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "wherever possible" is implied. Where does this kind of cheap-shot snark end? Shall we next post the We Should Improve Society Somewhat comic? ...besides, maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK.

> maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK. That is connected to a router made in China. And the keyboard and display, where were they made? My point is that it is pretty much unachievable and your "wherever possible" is just a get out of jail free card. Also it isn't a particularly laudable aim if we scale it up to the whole of society. We need the various countries in…

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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by mikewarot »

voakbasda wrote: post #39

Too little too late. They have burned good faith, and this move stinks of more manipulation. As others suggested, this probably aims to thwart legislative action, and they will make everything available at an inaccessibly exorbitant price point and inexcusable lead times. Seriously, Deere has been a market leader in alienating customers for years. There is no possibility that this is being done for the benefit of the…

They'll use "safety" as an excuse to subvert this, and keep gouging the farmers. It's the same hack that just happened in New York to their now useless "right to repair" law.

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Post by Roark66 »

mikrotikker wrote: post #107
Roark66 wrote: post #71

They'll provide "tools and manuals". If this includes service software that is good. Also I wonder what kind of detail is there in those service manuals. For the mechanical components I would at least expect drawings of each assembly showing every gear, every seal, every clip with spec. For electronics I would expect at least board view files if not schematics. Do I believe this will happen before it is law to publis…

Like the Haynes and other manuals that show circuit layouts and exploded views and service descriptions for every part of a vehicle.

Are they worth to buy for modern/semi-modern cars? I think I owned one for Peugeot 106 2002. There wasn't that much really useful stuff in it No detailed exploded mechanical drawings of all parts, just drawings showing major assemblies and selected parts.

Then I bought some "service manual" cd on ebay and there was everything there. Even estimates how long it "should" take to replace specific parts.

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Post by timbit42 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #193
neycoda wrote: post #190

Deere's forgotten the point of their business: to provide farmers with what they need to do their jobs. When you make the company about maximizing profit, you interfere with the purpose of your business. You now get in the way of your customers getting what they need and want. This has been proven by Deere, getting in the way of farmers fixing their equipment. Deere could have instead opened their business more to re…

> Deere's forgotten the point of their business: to provide farmers with what they need to do their jobs. That’s not the point. That's marketing. > When you make the company about maximizing profit, you interfere with the purpose of your business. Maximizing profit is the general purpose of business in a capitalist society. Serving other ends is a means to that end, not the purpose.

They focused on short-term profit and it will damage their long-term profit, if not kill them.

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Post by mikrotikker »

Roark66 wrote: post #226
mikrotikker wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the Haynes and other manuals that show circuit layouts and exploded views and service descriptions for every part of a vehicle.

Are they worth to buy for modern/semi-modern cars? I think I owned one for Peugeot 106 2002. There wasn't that much really useful stuff in it No detailed exploded mechanical drawings of all parts, just drawings showing major assemblies and selected parts. Then I bought some "service manual" cd on ebay and there was everything there. Even estimates how long it "should" take to replace specific parts.

I doubt it, I don't have one for my early 2000s vehicles but for my early 90s vehicles it's a boon. I think they stopped printing and moved to online. Perhaps it was an IP fear that led to them getting less detailed?

But the 1991 Nissan Patrol manual for instance doesn't show how to reflow your injectors. It does however indicate you can use a fish scale to measure the force of the throw for the steering swivel hub so you can decide if you need to add or remove shims from the king pin bearings. Rebuilding this hub and even the diff is described.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by mikrotikker »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #223
revolvingocelot wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "wherever possible" is implied. Where does this kind of cheap-shot snark end? Shall we next post the We Should Improve Society Somewhat comic? ...besides, maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK.

> maybe they're posting from one of those Raspberry Pi Model Bs that were fabbed in the UK. That is connected to a router made in China. And the keyboard and display, where were they made? My point is that it is pretty much unachievable and your "wherever possible" is just a get out of jail free card. Also it isn't a particularly laudable aim if we scale it up to the whole of society. We need the various countries in…

I just bought an oven made in Turkey. I bought various 4WD mods manufactured in Australia. Keyboard was made by me using parts from USA and Germany. Another keyboard made in Taiwan.

China (aka East Taiwan) makes cheap shit. If you have money you can afford the better manufactured stuff from non tofu-dreg countries.

We need to divulge from China a much as possible and many companies are. It is not ethical to do business with a country that has concentration camps. Hopefully one day the ROC will reclaim power over China and clean all that up.

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