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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by simongray »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #175
spoiler wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these? Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you

I just went back to the first full match broadcasted by CCTV, and made screenshots just for you: https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S Initially they claim all fans are blurred. Now they claim close-ups are not shown. I am pretty sure that they will claim it's specific matches that don't have close-ups later.

I wonder why you picked the first match as proof...?

The first few matches were broadcast uncensored which caused a ruckus on Weibo leading to the current state of censorship. That's how the story goes, at least.

Can you make similar screenshots of the latest match?

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Post by 411111111111111 »

usrusr wrote: post #216
DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

From my uninformed outside perspective the explanation is so much simpler: decisionmaking structures of the organization in charge are failing to facilitate an overdue strategy switch. They had the best possible approach back when vaccines were a few months out and the strains in circulation were still easy to contain (much easier than the current ones), but now they keep trying to repeat that triumph, and because qu…

> "best possible approach"

Hahahaha, that's a good one. Yeah, welding shut apartment buildings with COVID positive inhabitants was the perfect approach to dealing with a strong lung infection for sure!

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Post by ohyes »

Filligree wrote: post #135
yreg wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their behaviour is not that weird for an authoritarian regime and easily explainable without this theory imo. (As you say as well.) What would be an example of a piece of knowledge which they could have about the virus and which would warrant (in our eyes if we knew) 0 covid policy forever? Maybe I lack the imagination. Edit: Please don't downvote replies to this comment with fabricated not-real scenarios. That's exa…

“99% lethality at five years” is something you could conceivably engineer. I find this extremely unlikely, but that’s the sort of thinking being pointed at.

How would one engineer that?

I would expect there to be some signs that it would be lethal in the future… a continued decline rather than full recovery.

I haven’t had it yet, I suppose I should prepare to be practically the last person alive.

This seems far-fetched

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Post by sidewndr46 »

ptero wrote: post #196
throwoutway wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Wants an early end”? That must be propaganda because it should be obvious to a lay person that it started in late 2019. China government has been trying for 3 years to “have an early end”

It is pretty clear that the quoted is propaganda from the first sentence. When I read "... Western water forces, through insidious and poisonous means such as the Internet ..." as the opening, what comes after is always propaganda. This does not mean that it cannot contain true statements, but that it could only be useful by providing clues about the goal that the authors want to achieve; not from taking the words as…

Whenever I read translations like that, I often feel that the propaganda arm is trapped in the 1940s. A totalitarian police state doesn't actually need that great of a propaganda arm. It just has to scrape by with being loosely believable.

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Post by warning26 »

tlogan wrote: post #205
DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

This might be a Ceausescu moment for Xi. I just do not understand why he did not “declare that China won against COVID and how CCP is great”. (If there is a problem with vaccination rates, the CCP has tools to make that happen. Yes Sinovax vaccine is not very effective but with 3 doses it will cut death rates by 90% or so.) So the question here is really why Xi decided to keep zero-COVID. Maybe he is not so smart? Or…

> If there is a problem with vaccination rates, the CCP has tools to make that happen.

Xi has been notably against vaccine mandates, even going so far as to reprimand a city that started asking for vaccine proof. I suspect that he himself is probably unvaccinated (afraid of needles, maybe?)

Plus, it gives a great excuse to track tracking everyone’s movements at all times.

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Post by danskeren »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #197
danskeren wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to China Insights' latest video then they attempted to blur the audience outside the live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038 . The video has been age-restricted so if you don't have an account then can see it here: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI at timestamp 17:18.

Avoid “China Insights” or anyone self claimed as China watchers if you don’t want to become victims of propaganda.

Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents).

The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.

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Post by sidewndr46 »

smcl wrote: post #164
obscurette wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that it's misunderstanding that dictatorships need any.

I don't know if it's correct to call China a "dictatorship" but I'll humour you for a moment. The idea that dictatorships have everything under control and can conduct themselves however they please is true ... until the point that it isn't. So while a dictator technically doesn't necessarily need to justify themselves or to have a reasonable, fair plan for some given situation that pleases their subjects - they prob…

I am reasonably certain that a country well known for sending in the troops to crush rebellion would count as a dictatorship.

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Post by jmbrook »

tlogan wrote: post #205
DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

This might be a Ceausescu moment for Xi. I just do not understand why he did not “declare that China won against COVID and how CCP is great”. (If there is a problem with vaccination rates, the CCP has tools to make that happen. Yes Sinovax vaccine is not very effective but with 3 doses it will cut death rates by 90% or so.) So the question here is really why Xi decided to keep zero-COVID. Maybe he is not so smart? Or…

I never quite understood why they don't just rebrand the Pfizer vaccine (or effective one) and move on.

What is the point of having all that propaganda apparatus if you can even do that?

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Post by WiSaGaN »

simongray wrote: post #221
WiSaGaN wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just went back to the first full match broadcasted by CCTV, and made screenshots just for you: https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S Initially they claim all fans are blurred. Now they claim close-ups are not shown. I am pretty sure that they will claim it's specific matches that don't have close-ups later.

I wonder why you picked the first match as proof...? The first few matches were broadcast uncensored which caused a ruckus on Weibo leading to the current state of censorship. That's how the story goes, at least. Can you make similar screenshots of the latest match?

Less than 24 hours ago: Canada vs Croatia: https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg

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Post by apostacy »

amluto wrote: post #193
laputan_machine wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The CCP have been routinely supressing any hypothesis on COVID-19 being a lab-borne virus. - The CCP have been stoic on their approach to zero-COVID - IF the virus was lab-borne, and IF the CCP know it was, is it not (very, very remotely) possible they know more about the consequences of this virus? That line of reasoning is pretty conspiratorial, but given that the CCP have been incredibly cagey about the whole af…

> IF the virus was lab-borne, and IF the CCP know it was, is it not (very, very remotely) possible they know more about the consequences of this virus? Huh? Suppose it did come from a lab, by malice, incompetence, bad luck, or otherwise. Why would this imply that China knows more about it than anyone else? (Sure, China would have known more about it in the first few months. And they surely did regardless of whether i…

> Suppose it did come from a lab, by malice, incompetence, bad luck, or otherwise. Why would this imply that China knows more about it than anyone else?

Because the Chinese government started reacting to it as early as fall 2019, despite the best efforts of American big tech companies to cover it up.

Because people made the very reasonable assumption that the unusual and highly virulent form of COVID that originated right near one of the only places on the planet where they were specifically creating that virus actually came from that lab.

I am still in awe of people's continued denial about this.

Even the mainstream media is reluctantly admitting it now, just search for "lab leak" on Google News.

Anyone that paid any attention to so called "conspiracy" news sources knew about COVID well in advance. Back in December 2019 I saw countless videos of Chinese soldiers in hazmat suits rounding up civilians while they begged for their lives.

And most "informed" people were in denial until February or March 2020.

So, perhaps if you can admit you were wrong about COVID at the start of the pandemic, perhaps you are also wrong about it now?

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