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Post by mschuster91 »

dreckigeZecke wrote: post #133
mschuster91 wrote: post #49

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> Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. Among the unvaccinated (of which there still exist a shocking amount), it absolutely is harmful. Even amongst the triple or quadruple vaccinated, it can be dangerous. My s/o's sense of smell was impacted for months, we were out of work for two weeks - but a friend of ours for six months and she's still not at the performance mentally that she…

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> stop spreading communist propaganda. Most of the deaths are among the vaccinated now.

Oh, the first fellow German troll I got on this site. Fun times.

> As a result of its policy over 10 people just got burned alive in their own home.

Rest assured I have no love left for the CCP (or, in case it matters, Russia). New Zealand has proven that one can do a sensible zero-covid approach without resorting to atrocities.

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Post by gus_massa »

StreamBright wrote: post #86
gus_massa wrote: post #56

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That's strange. My father was a voluntary in the polio vaccination in Argentina in ¿1956?. My mother also remember that epidemic. I guess old people here is one of the more conscious groups about how important are the vaccines.

The polio vaccine is different though. First it is not a mrna vaccine, second it is ~100% efficient in case of 3 doses. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur... "Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against paralytic polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective."

> The polio vaccine is different though.

We used the oral polio vaccine that has attenuated (aka ""live"") virus. A few years ago we switched to use only the injectable polio vaccine that has inactivated (aka "dead") virus.

For Covid-19, we use a mix of vaccines. Inactivated virus, vector virus and mrna. It was somewhat random, and each member of my family got a different mix. (I got AstraZeneca , AstraZeneca, Moderna.)

Reading only the description, a mrna vaccine looks safer than an attenuated virus vaccine. Anyway, all of them have been testen in clinical trials to ensure they are safe and effective. And anyway, the WHO is trying to use the polio attenuated virus vaccine as few as possible because there are some problems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #20
substation13 wrote: post #15

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I see two options: 1. Figure out a working vaccine of their own (or maybe just license and rebrand a western one) 2. Become increasingly authoritarian - like a high-tech North Korea

China already has several highly effective vaccines. The problem is that a significant fraction of elderly people don't want to get vaccinated. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore had the exact same problem with vaccine hesitancy among the elderly. It's a cultural thing.

It’s a cultural thing for sure.

The older generation in China went through the Cultural Revolution and distrusts the government.

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Post by selimthegrim »

Silverback_VII wrote: post #139
pjc50 wrote: post #91

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> the vax has rendered herd immunity impossible. This doesn't make any sense; the vaccine confers immunity.

>This doesn't make any sense; the vaccine confers immunity. Obviously not look at the virus particles in wastewater (Netherlands) for example : https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/rioolwater The Virus seems to stick around in countries with high vax rates and to disappear in countries with very low rates. Additionally the immune systems of vaccinated individuals display strange behaviour toward tolerating…

What are you trying to imply here? Can you explain how herd immunity is possible against variants?

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Post by shkkmo »

wslh wrote: post #89
jillvs34 wrote: post #61

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If it's a lab-leak it means the virus was potentially well studied before the leak, and it's effects known. Therefore the government could know a lot more about it than they claim.

Don't you think that what they know about the virus is part of public research? What could be hidden there? Side question: could you include a timer in a virus to launch again a date?

I think creating such a timer, one that would both survive the large number of mutations covid has gone through and also remain undetected in one of the most heavily studied genomes would be a practical impossibility that is far, far beyond the capabilities we have today.

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Post by bee_rider »

DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

> It's to mitigate war with the United States. Apparently the Geneva convention has a clause against going to war with a nation stricken by a pandemic.

It is a sort of funny conclusion to end up at — the US wants to have a war with China, but is stopped by the Geneva convention.

I thought they didn’t have as effective vaccines as we’ve got in the west (on top of the general, uh, hands-off approach western counties tend to take around public health). Different facts on the ground, different policies, right?

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Post by TwoFerMaggie »

Sol- wrote: post #72

A common story you hear is that Chinese vaccines are less effective and that they also do not want to rely on Western vaccines in turn. What I don't quite understand is why they couldn't just create some joint venture with a Western pharma company and then supply a rebranded version of the mRNA vaccines to their population. I would think they have the propaganda tools at hand to make such a move palatable even to the…

> What I don't quite understand is why they couldn't just create some joint venture with a Western pharma company and then supply a rebranded version of the mRNA vaccines to their population

At the start of all this, around 2020, there was a media campaign against mRNA vaccine in China's propaganda, mostly emphasizing its side effects. It fit the nationalistic narrative that "our covid response is superior". The fear mongering worked and now many people are afraid of the side effects of the mRNA vaccine. Not quite easy to walk that back now.

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Post by smallnix »

yreg wrote: post #99
laputan_machine wrote: post #52

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- The CCP have been routinely supressing any hypothesis on COVID-19 being a lab-borne virus. - The CCP have been stoic on their approach to zero-COVID - IF the virus was lab-borne, and IF the CCP know it was, is it not (very, very remotely) possible they know more about the consequences of this virus? That line of reasoning is pretty conspiratorial, but given that the CCP have been incredibly cagey about the whole af…

Their behaviour is not that weird for an authoritarian regime and easily explainable without this theory imo. (As you say as well.) What would be an example of a piece of knowledge which they could have about the virus and which would warrant (in our eyes if we knew) 0 covid policy forever? Maybe I lack the imagination. Edit: Please don't downvote replies to this comment with fabricated not-real scenarios. That's exa…

Makes people distrust authority. That is where all the covid deniers and hoaxers come from. Created to further divide the US. Never intended to run rampant in China. Zero covid is a last ditch effort to prevent the otherwise unpreventable protests, revolts and finally the downfall of the cccp ;)

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Post by tartoran »

yreg wrote: post #177
throwoutway wrote: post #168

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“Wants an early end”? That must be propaganda because it should be obvious to a lay person that it started in late 2019. China government has been trying for 3 years to “have an early end”

Wait until you read to "We believe that the Party and the government will be able to lead the people of China to work together to overcome the epidemic! China will win! [fist][fist][fist]".

Yeah, this propaganda is obvious from far away. I don’t know if Chinese people buy it anymore.

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Post by danskeren »

spoiler wrote: post #149
WiSaGaN wrote: post #147

This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a single one comment mentions it. Goes to show the level of discourse happen in the west about anything china related.

There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these? Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you

According to China Insights' latest video then they attempted to blur the audience outside the live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038. The video has been age-restricted so if you don't have an account then can see it here: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI at timestamp 17:18.
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