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Post by fryguy »

cynest wrote: post #63
JoshTriplett wrote: post #40

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> the reps asking questions seem legitimately interested in making the bill suck a lot less That seems like a large part of the problem; they treat it as a foregone conclusion that the bill will pass, perhaps with a bit of tweaking. This bill needs to die. All bills should have the presumption of failure, with a very high bar to get them to pass, not the other way around.

The problem is the "think of the children" argument will come back to haunt them come next election season.

They really should. Should the 10 year old girl that posted a video on youtube of herself singing along with a Justin Beiber song be considered a felon and put in jail for 5 years?

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Post by marshray »

tptacek wrote: post #208
marshray wrote: post #194

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Skimming the site, it looks to me like DNSCurve is more of a transport protocol for DNS records, almost like running DNS over DTLS. This would certainly be a useful improvement, but I don't see where it talks about how the records are authenticated. It is pushing off the "do you trust (Versign+USDoJ | greatfirewall.cn) to give you the legitimate answer to your .com query" problem. Which is the kind of problem that th…

The point of DNScurve is not to bother attempting to create a cryptographic chain of custody for all DNS records (which is what DNSSEC does), at least not until after we've set it up so that a browser can make a request of a server that cannot be tampered with. It is a vastly simpler, tactical solution to the DNS "security problem" (I'm a skeptic about the long term importance of this problem too).

So why would a kernel-level rootkit like TDSS start dropping the DNSChanger trojan on 600K to 1M machines?

Just another pay-per-install malware module?

Hard for AV to detect the settings are wrong?

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Researchers-Discover-Link-...

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Post by JoshTriplett »

fryguy wrote: post #221
cynest wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the "think of the children" argument will come back to haunt them come next election season.

They really should. Should the 10 year old girl that posted a video on youtube of herself singing along with a Justin Beiber song be considered a felon and put in jail for 5 years?

And should one person doing so cause YouTube to get shut down?

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Post by JoshTriplett »

feralchimp wrote: post #116

Reps now bitching that Google's senior management is not in the room. FUCK YOU, SENATOR. Those people deliver more value per day than you will deliver in your entire career as a public servant. Oh god: "Why not hire some whiz kids?" What a goddamned fool. "We have the brainpower in this country [to design a machine to distinguish copyrighted works from non-copyrighted works]." Actually, no, we don't. Fair use is a th…

> "We have the brainpower in this country [to design a machine to distinguish copyrighted works from non-copyrighted works]."

Leaving aside the question of whether such a thing could exist ("return true" works pretty well for a first approximation, but presumably the senator meant "copyrighted and used without permission"), anyone with the brainpower to do that hopefully has the brainpower not to.

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Post by CGamesPlay »

trip42 wrote: post #161
jarin wrote: post #142

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YouTube does have automated copyright detection though

You mean YouTube has information on all of the photographs I've ever taken and who I've licensed them to? I don't recall making this information public, so I don't see how they could possibly detect copyright infringement of my content.

The copyright infringement detection technology is opt-in. You disclose to YouTube the licensees.

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Post by robryan »

marquis wrote: post #218
robryan wrote: post #214

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Seems like the majority of both sides are happy to see creative content get paid for. It's just this side that wants the power to act as it did pre internet completely on their own terms no matter how it harms other areas.

The problem with this video is no-one mentions the elephant in the room: we can all agree on getting content paid for so put out content in ways that makes economic sense for 21st century distribution methods. Another article that made me furious that is indicative of how deep the epidemic goes: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/11/gavin-polone-on...

Yeah, I think the thing that they are trying to protect that really has to go are the traditional style distribution deals. No longer can you expect to impose any number of restrictions and break distribution down into regions for virtual goods.

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

sv123 wrote: post #128
noduerme wrote: post #123

This is SO OFFENSIVE!!! She gives such great, clear technical answers -- they can detect child porn by a combination of reverse image search analysis and manual checks, but they can't visually tell whether a movie or song is licensed to play. Makes sense. "I'm sure we have the technology, we have the brainpower," responds some congrasshole. What fucking idiots these people are. They don't have a right to dictate term…

His response to her explanation about how they don't have the technology was "Google does have the technology". These people are all idiots.

I like to fantasize about transitioning to a technocratic government. Decisions are made by subject matter experts and those with intellectual capital, not political capital.

The stupid - it hurts.

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Post by shadowfiend »

noduerme wrote: post #198
apotheon wrote: post #185

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It's grammatically correct, which means it's not a run-on sentence.

I thought anything with more than one clause and sans conjunctions was a run-on; but a beast like that could still be fair or foul =)

More than one independent clause, specifically. I believe your sentence still only has one of those, no matter how embellished the various parts of that independent clause may be :)

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Post by ericd »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #211
marquis wrote: post #192

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Here's the Makers vs Takers video. Replete with scary music and "The Daily Show has been watched x million times.. illegally" (because Comedy Central doesn't let the whole world watch it on their website? I watch it there and sit through their ads. What's not working about that? Oh, I know. Sometimes my net connection might suck. If I hypothetically can't watch it streaming in RT I might look for other options.) http…

It's a well made video, actually. I felt moved by it, at least a little bit. I think hackers in tech industry should start making similar videos for our own, arguing against SOPA. For that thing, we indeed do have the technology, and we have the expertise.

I was almost moved, but it's so obviously manipulative in other ways that it's kind of sickening. I'm not sure we have the stomach for competing on that level.
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